An explanation of UW's in-state recruiting strategy

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No so great.

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Nice whiff on the LB from Yelm who just committed to Whoregon. Not cool.

Not saying UW is any better at developing linebackers (we used to be) but how do you watch Oregon totally mismanage Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell, 2x 5* recruits, and decide that's the best place for you.

Yes, different coaching staff now... but Sewell fell from a back end of the 1st round LB to the 5th under this staff. That Oregon D got gashed all last season and its probably gonna me more of the same.

BroadcastingDawg said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Nice whiff on the LB from Yelm who just committed to Whoregon. Not cool.

Not saying UW is any better at developing linebackers (we used to be) but how do you watch Oregon totally mismanage Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell, 2x 5* recruits, and decide that's the best place for you.

Yes, different coaching staff now... but Sewell fell from a back end of the 1st round LB to the 5th under this staff. That Oregon D got gashed all last season and its probably gonna me more of the same.

UW has to brand repair after 2020 and 2021

This staff has only been here a year and a half.

If they consistently have the program rolling recruiting will drastically improve

Top 10-15 and I’m happy but not sure if that’s realistic.

Morgan was helping to close some ridiculous classes pre-NIL so how long does his “process” take… ? A guy with his reputation isn’t needed to close the type of players we’ve been getting.

So… I’m waiting.

theknowledge said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

BroadcastingDawg said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Nice whiff on the LB from Yelm who just committed to Whoregon. Not cool.

Not saying UW is any better at developing linebackers (we used to be) but how do you watch Oregon totally mismanage Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell, 2x 5* recruits, and decide that's the best place for you.

Yes, different coaching staff now... but Sewell fell from a back end of the 1st round LB to the 5th under this staff. That Oregon D got gashed all last season and its probably gonna me more of the same.

UW has to brand repair after 2020 and 2021

This staff has only been here a year and a half.

If they consistently have the program rolling recruiting will drastically improve

Next year will be key. KDB is taking top 20 talent and producing top 10 results, maybe top 5. Can he take top 30-40 talent and keep the program in the top 15-20? If he can I’d assume the recruiting rankings should climb in the future. Not sure they’re ever going to be a top 10 recruiting staff. KDB doesn’t seem like the same sort of closer that Pete was but top 11-20 on the yearly would be great.

Too soon. Strong year this year and going to the BIG could change this meaningfully.

It wasn't long ago the narrative was that UW was dropping the ball by not prioritizing Washington kids. That the in-state coaches were noticing it and were pissed off about it. And how that was supposedly a big toxic deal.

Don't know if that was bullshit. Or how it relates to this current narrative. But just noting that the story that everyone's all pissed off about has changed a bit.

sinceredawg said:

It wasn't long ago the narrative was that UW was dropping the ball by not prioritizing Washington kids. That the in-state coaches were noticing it and were pissed off about it. And how that was supposedly a big toxic deal.

Don't know if that was bullshit. Or how it relates to this current narrative. But just noting that the story that everyone's all pissed off about has changed a bit.

Yeah, that was part of Jimmy Lake's schtick that he was so cool and any coach or player who he talked to was graced with his attention.

A lot has changed since then, principally NIL and the new staff's willingness to cast a wider net due to their connections. NIL hurts UW in-state in that they don't seem willing (yet) to pay top HS recruits which is probably why Conerly went to Oregon and maybe Platt too. UW does seem willing to pay proven college players via the transfer portal which is a good first step.

haie said:

theknowledge said:

haie said:

theknowledge said:

AEB said:

theknowledge said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

BroadcastingDawg said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Nice whiff on the LB from Yelm who just committed to Whoregon. Not cool.

Not saying UW is any better at developing linebackers (we used to be) but how do you watch Oregon totally mismanage Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell, 2x 5* recruits, and decide that's the best place for you.

Yes, different coaching staff now... but Sewell fell from a back end of the 1st round LB to the 5th under this staff. That Oregon D got gashed all last season and its probably gonna me more of the same.

UW has to brand repair after 2020 and 2021

This staff has only been here a year and a half.

If they consistently have the program rolling recruiting will drastically improve

Next year will be key. KDB is taking top 20 talent and producing top 10 results, maybe top 5. Can he take top 30-40 talent and keep the program in the top 15-20? If he can I’d assume the recruiting rankings should climb in the future. Not sure they’re ever going to be a top 10 recruiting staff. KDB doesn’t seem like the same sort of closer that Pete was but top 11-20 on the yearly would be great.

Too soon. Strong year this year and going to the BIG could change this meaningfully.

Next year the team will have top 30-40 level talent. Lakes class (#26) and DeBoers three classes (#59, #29, currently #55) will be the team. Add in whatever transfers jump on board and you’re hoping they stay in the top 20. If they do win big this year and next pair that success with being in the B1G and maybe things can improve on the trail with the staff they have. I like the kids they’re bringing in, I really do, but a Shaq Thompson or Buttah Baker are pretty nice to have sometims.

The trail, that’s what I like to call recruiting. That’s what I like to do. The trail.

You could argue Emeka I guess, but there hasn't been a Budda Baker in the state of Washington since Budda Baker. He was a generational player to get and all the WA high school people said it at the time.

I wasn’t meaning local, just highly sought after. Shaq and Budda are freaky athletes and great at football. Guys like that paired with the tough football kids that are a couple inches too short or a step too slow that KDB seems to like bringing in are a pretty good combo. This staff hasn’t sniffed a recruiting win for a five star or high four star athlete yet. I’m sure NIL has something to do with that.

My point is that Baker was a 4 star, but everyone who watched WA hs football knew he was a generational talent, and a true 5 star.

Skinny, Smalls, Huard, the fat OL from Rainier Beach, JT, are mostly likely undeserving of their 5 star status.

But all the 247 guys think they're 5 star which is all the quooks care about.

Most likely?

They are pretty much 2 stars in impact and thats being generous

chuck said:

theknowledge said:

haie said:

theknowledge said:

AEB said:

theknowledge said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

BroadcastingDawg said:

dirtysouwfdawg said:

Nice whiff on the LB from Yelm who just committed to Whoregon. Not cool.

Not saying UW is any better at developing linebackers (we used to be) but how do you watch Oregon totally mismanage Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell, 2x 5* recruits, and decide that's the best place for you.

Yes, different coaching staff now... but Sewell fell from a back end of the 1st round LB to the 5th under this staff. That Oregon D got gashed all last season and its probably gonna me more of the same.

UW has to brand repair after 2020 and 2021

This staff has only been here a year and a half.

If they consistently have the program rolling recruiting will drastically improve

Next year will be key. KDB is taking top 20 talent and producing top 10 results, maybe top 5. Can he take top 30-40 talent and keep the program in the top 15-20? If he can I’d assume the recruiting rankings should climb in the future. Not sure they’re ever going to be a top 10 recruiting staff. KDB doesn’t seem like the same sort of closer that Pete was but top 11-20 on the yearly would be great.

Too soon. Strong year this year and going to the BIG could change this meaningfully.

Next year the team will have top 30-40 level talent. Lakes class (#26) and DeBoers three classes (#59, #29, currently #55) will be the team. Add in whatever transfers jump on board and you’re hoping they stay in the top 20. If they do win big this year and next pair that success with being in the B1G and maybe things can improve on the trail with the staff they have. I like the kids they’re bringing in, I really do, but a Shaq Thompson or Buttah Baker are pretty nice to have sometims.

The trail, that’s what I like to call recruiting. That’s what I like to do. The trail.

You could argue Emeka I guess, but there hasn't been a Budda Baker in the state of Washington since Budda Baker. He was a generational player to get and all the WA high school people said it at the time.

I wasn’t meaning local, just highly sought after. Shaq and Budda are freaky athletes and great at football. Guys like that paired with the tough football kids that are a couple inches too short or a step too slow that KDB seems to like bringing in are a pretty good combo. This staff hasn’t sniffed a recruiting win for a five star or high four star athlete yet. I’m sure NIL has something to do with that.

I don't know, but I think NIL is almost all of it. UW isn't offering upfront money to HS prospects. That's not the "lane" Cohen talked about. They're trying to sell HS kids on the idea that, if they come in and excel, the money will be there. I don't think that sales pitch resonates with too many kids when they have other schools flashing big $ enticements to sign.

Maybe the new AD will shift course. I hope so. I think Deboer has made it clear he hopes so too.

Everything I’ve heard and had explained to be supports that this is the approach that is being taken with HS players at the high end

It’s a highly flawed strategy … best parallel example to me is that HS recruiting is similar to corporate R&D investment. It doesn’t always pan out but when it does it’s a winner

Given that we require booster dollars to help balance the Athletic Dept budget I don’t know how much more is out there from donors to supplement NIL. Getting more money from the Big10 should in theory allow for more donor money to go towards NIL initiatives.

The other thing that needs to be looked at by the new AD is how much of the ancillary/support programs that Jen was a huge proponent of are actually adding value … my guess is there is some spend that can be stripped and repurposed.

dirtysouwfdawg said:

HFNY said:

sinceredawg said:

It wasn't long ago the narrative was that UW was dropping the ball by not prioritizing Washington kids. That the in-state coaches were noticing it and were pissed off about it. And how that was supposedly a big toxic deal.

Don't know if that was bullshit. Or how it relates to this current narrative. But just noting that the story that everyone's all pissed off about has changed a bit.

Yeah, that was part of Jimmy Lake's schtick that he was so cool and any coach or player who he talked to was graced with his attention.

A lot has changed since then, principally NIL and the new staff's willingness to cast a wider net due to their connections. NIL hurts UW in-state in that they don't seem willing (yet) to pay top HS recruits which is probably why Conerly went to Oregon and maybe Platt too. UW does seem willing to pay proven college players via the transfer portal which is a good first step.

Rumor is conerly has close to 1M reasons to pick whoregon. I have zero substantiating evidence so don’t twist.

The rumor I heard was $100k a year.