Can we offer this Ukranian solider a scholarship?

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WestlinnDuck said:

So, China is a 10 as a threat to the US. Already knocked trillions of the US economy with the chicom crud and being positioned by the dems as the biggest economic winner in the climate change fraud as we choke of the US economy as we shut down our fossil fuel industry and skyrocket US energy prices while giving a complete pass to the Chicoms as they dramatically increase their fossil fuel usage and benefit from their control over strategic metals and the leading producer of solar panels and wind turbines.

Russia is a 1 as a threat to the US. They aren't going to invade and we have much more of their strategic economic product than they do and we could choke them out economically if we wanted to. If we sent nothing to the Ukraine at best the Russians could have fun holding it. That would be their one bite of their dream of a new Soviet Union. Their military would be exhausted from taking the Ukraine. If the Euros wanted to remain free, they could spend their money to defend it. It doesn't matter to the US. China is what matters and we should use our limited resources to deal with the Chicoms and their control over most of economy, outside of oil and gas production. This isn't 1964. It's 2023 and Russia is done. Even worse demographics than the US and nothing but oil and gas production.

This is a much more nuanced take than the garbage Throbber is spouting, so kudos.

However - Russia would have been able to take and hold Ukraine rather easily without advising and supplies from US and Nato. They would also have taken over the Stans, Moldova, Belarus, and other places and next thing you know it's now USSR 2.0 that has all the confidence in the world and much better demographics.

As I said, the line needed to be drawn in the sand somewhere. I think it's completely reasonable to have Ukraine bleed Russia of manpower and teach them that this WW2 shit is not going to be tolerated in 2023.

You're right about China, but China is watching with surprise as Russia military tech is getting its ass obliterated by old US technology.

The line in the sand can be at the Polish border (a member of NATO, by the way). Ukraine - not a member of NATO. And, let's not forget this shit is pushing Turkey away from NATO. But but DEMOCRACY for Zelensky. Nuance that.

Now, about those Ukraine bio weapons labs and corrupt money laundering....how "nuanced' does one have to be to be truthful about that?

Your black/white, Ukraine good/Russia bad has no nuance whatsoever.

The US guaranteed Ukraine protection in exchange for giving up their nukes in the 90s.

I'm glad you guys want USSR 2.0 and think that is a good idea. Fucks sake. Such incredibly small minded thinking.

Also - the Ukraine bio weapons stuff is pure Russian propaganda that you fell for. Congrats on that.

Money laundering you're right on. Ukraine is corrupt as hell. That does not give Russia free reign to go on a murderous rampage in their country.

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And perhaps you need to do some research on the Azov Regiment on just whom is murdering whom.

There is absolutely 0 evidence that bioweapons were being developed in Ukraine. You fell hook, line, and sinker for that Russian BS.

Very familiar with Azov Regiment and their Neo Nazi bullshit. They absolutely deserve to be called out on that. However, Azov was hanging out in Mariupol and defending against Russian incursions since 2014. Azov isn't the aggressor in this conflict.

Additionally, Azov has been more or less purged of Nazis.

On the flip side, are you familiar with the Wagner PMC group?

Azov more or less purged of Nazis? Says who? Maybe Congress needs to be informed of their new leaf. It’s laughable the idea that Ukraine is kicking Russian ass.

Where they gain somewhere they lose in multiple areas. Where are you getting your Ukraine kicking ass info?

Info on Azov:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ukraines-azov-battalion-looks-to-regroup-and-clean-up-image-11654453889

Info on Ukraine kicking Russia's fucking ass:

https://liveuamap.com/



Meanwhile, Russia's state sponsored mercenary group:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#:~:text=Others say the group's name,Hitler's favorite composer).

"In 2021, the Foreign Policy report noted the origin of the name "Wagner" to be unknown.[51] Others say the group's name comes from Utkin's own call sign "Wagner", reportedly after the German composer Richard Wagner, which Utkin is said to have chosen due to his passion for the Third Reich (Wagner being Adolf Hitler's favorite composer).[79][80] As such, some believe he is a neo-Nazi,[81][82] with The Economist reporting that Utkin has several Nazi tattoos.[80]"

Good grief. They’re trying hard to clean up their image. Right up there with the meth addict trying hard to kick their habit.

Why do you think we never hear about Ukraine getting their asses kicked? We only hear about how terribly the Russians are doing. Give it some thought.

When Ukraine had their victory is September it came at great cost and then they lost territory in other regions.

Are you under the impression there are people rooting for Russia here? If you are, you’re a fucking moron.

Look at the fucking map. HTH

https://liveuamap.com/

absolute peanut brains

Keep on telling me you have never listened to a military strategist explain what Russia is doing, without telling me. Put the establishment bong down. Ukraine winning is a fantasy.

Even your guy Gen. Milley says both sides will eventually come to the table. The loss of lives for both is too great to continue much longer.

But the map! Why does Russia take territory and then leave territory to take new territory?

You have 0 idea what you are talking about. Russia is abandoning territory because they are getting routed, not because they are playing 5d chess.

This conflict is like the US invading Mexico and being unable to take Mexico city.

Pathetic.

They “retreated” to a high ground that was easier to defend while they drafted and trained conscripts.

Also to not be in a flood plain under a dam that could have wiped out its forces if blown up.



You really seem to be a beacon of knowledge on this.

TYFYE

@pawz I can't emphasize this enough. You do not know what you are talking about. You are ignorant.

So far you've cited businessinsider, wikipedia, reuters, newsweek, cnbc - to name a few.

After the last six years you choose to believe their collective version of events on any major issue? Interesting choice.

Ignorance is predicated on an in/ability to be aware of other potential paradigms. And to accurately assess relative merits.



You've planted your flag in 'Putin is literally Hitler'.

It's possible, but not probable.

Hope this helps.

Ive posted NY Post and other sources, too

Point being, Russia is not retreating to the high ground. [Russia is] getting stomped. By Ukraine of all places.

Factually inaccurate.

Like with Covid, you're welcome to wait to figure it out. I guess.

I'm not quite sure how Russia not being able to project power 30 miles from it's own border isn't getting stomped.

This was a nation that was supposed to give a full blown hot war against the US and Nato problems.

It's an abject failure. They got stomped in most of this conflict except for in a few select areas.

No Kyiv, no Kharkiv, no Kherson.

Russia though this war would be over in a week. How is this not a disaster of immense proportions?

So the US doesn't need to be involved

Glad we cleared that up

Joe wants to sniff your neck

Exactly.

Arguing that Russia is a great military superpower capable of going all the way to the English Channel is a far better argument for intervention than saying they suck.

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But ma "nuclear threat" is literally a RT talking point aimed at audiences in the West to make housewives nervous about supporting Ukraine with war material. It's unmanly to say the least that so many here are hiding under the rug of appeasement out of political tribalism. Trump was for big swinging dick deterence and so am I.

The fact is that actual Nato would wipe the fucking floor with Russia in a traditional conflict. That's pretty fucking obvious at this point since Russia can't even take a third world tin pot cleptocracy like Ukraine even before the Western support arrived.

That means that the nuclear card is literally Russia's last option for deterence and keeping Nato out of actual boots on ground. They won't use it for anything short of existential threat such as ze' Germans rolling on Moscow again.

"Losing" the war in Ukraine isn't an existential threat for Putin. He has achieved the goal of "de-nazification" and whatever other RT decides to propagandize. If anything, he's used the war to consolidate power, lock Russia down further, rid it of decent, and eliminate rivals. See what he's currently doing to Pregotion and Wagner in Backhmut after he got too upity.

Come at me bro with trying to tell me I don't know shit or need to do research. I've been following this since the Orange revolution. Go Google it bitch.

Outside of feeling good about being the world's policeman, once again how is spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have so that it's Ukrainian theftocrats stealing from us and Ukrainians versus having Russian theftocrats stealing from the Ukrainians? Does this make the world safer for American citizens? Does it make the US wealthier? Does it educate our kids?

Hundreds of billions? Funny math at best. Right up there with calling Bradley's high tech.

Sending cold War era surplus and slapping a "new cost of replacement" sticker on it isn't going to change how schools are funded(which the federal government shouldn't be doing btw).

Clearing out our surplus that was built to kill Russians and selling it to Europe to kill Russians with is basically the best possible outcome for the US. Otherwise we'd be paying for decommissioning and disposal(which costs more than sending it to UKR).

If you want to argue about how the replacement money is spent that's a different discussion about US defense budgets.

Sorry not sorry, this is such an easy win from the US perspective.

Is there a bunch of pork rolled into it? Definitely. Again, learn to be able to distinguish the difference.

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

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UW_Doog_Bot said:

WestlinnDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

But ma "nuclear threat" is literally a RT talking point aimed at audiences in the West to make housewives nervous about supporting Ukraine with war material. It's unmanly to say the least that so many here are hiding under the rug of appeasement out of political tribalism. Trump was for big swinging dick deterence and so am I.

The fact is that actual Nato would wipe the fucking floor with Russia in a traditional conflict. That's pretty fucking obvious at this point since Russia can't even take a third world tin pot cleptocracy like Ukraine even before the Western support arrived.

That means that the nuclear card is literally Russia's last option for deterence and keeping Nato out of actual boots on ground. They won't use it for anything short of existential threat such as ze' Germans rolling on Moscow again.

"Losing" the war in Ukraine isn't an existential threat for Putin. He has achieved the goal of "de-nazification" and whatever other RT decides to propagandize. If anything, he's used the war to consolidate power, lock Russia down further, rid it of decent, and eliminate rivals. See what he's currently doing to Pregotion and Wagner in Backhmut after he got too upity.

Come at me bro with trying to tell me I don't know shit or need to do research. I've been following this since the Orange revolution. Go Google it bitch.

Outside of feeling good about being the world's policeman, once again how is spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have so that it's Ukrainian theftocrats stealing from us and Ukrainians versus having Russian theftocrats stealing from the Ukrainians? Does this make the world safer for American citizens? Does it make the US wealthier? Does it educate our kids?

Hundreds of billions? Funny math at best. Right up there with calling Bradley's high tech.

Sending cold War era surplus and slapping a "new cost of replacement" sticker on it isn't going to change how schools are funded(which the federal government shouldn't be doing btw).

Clearing out our surplus that was built to kill Russians and selling it to Europe to kill Russians with is basically the best possible outcome for the US. Otherwise we'd be paying for decommissioning and disposal(which costs more than sending it to UKR).

If you want to argue about how the replacement money is spent that's a different discussion about US defense budgets.

Sorry not sorry, this is such an easy win from the US perspective.

Is there a bunch of pork rolled into it? Definitely. Again, learn to be able to distinguish the difference.

Youre fighting the good fight bot, but this thread is filled with the dumbest of the dumb, angry old dipshit conservatives who are incapable of acknowledging reality.

Everything is now a conspiracy to the low IQ on the right, even selling military equipment to kill a bunch of Russians larping as WW2 Germany.

Really pathetic stuff.

Go put your army clothes on little boy; there's a fight to be won.

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

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RoadTrip said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

WestlinnDuck said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

But ma "nuclear threat" is literally a RT talking point aimed at audiences in the West to make housewives nervous about supporting Ukraine with war material. It's unmanly to say the least that so many here are hiding under the rug of appeasement out of political tribalism. Trump was for big swinging dick deterence and so am I.

The fact is that actual Nato would wipe the fucking floor with Russia in a traditional conflict. That's pretty fucking obvious at this point since Russia can't even take a third world tin pot cleptocracy like Ukraine even before the Western support arrived.

That means that the nuclear card is literally Russia's last option for deterence and keeping Nato out of actual boots on ground. They won't use it for anything short of existential threat such as ze' Germans rolling on Moscow again.

"Losing" the war in Ukraine isn't an existential threat for Putin. He has achieved the goal of "de-nazification" and whatever other RT decides to propagandize. If anything, he's used the war to consolidate power, lock Russia down further, rid it of decent, and eliminate rivals. See what he's currently doing to Pregotion and Wagner in Backhmut after he got too upity.

Come at me bro with trying to tell me I don't know shit or need to do research. I've been following this since the Orange revolution. Go Google it bitch.

Outside of feeling good about being the world's policeman, once again how is spending hundreds of billions of dollars that we don't have so that it's Ukrainian theftocrats stealing from us and Ukrainians versus having Russian theftocrats stealing from the Ukrainians? Does this make the world safer for American citizens? Does it make the US wealthier? Does it educate our kids?

Hundreds of billions? Funny math at best. Right up there with calling Bradley's high tech.

Sending cold War era surplus and slapping a "new cost of replacement" sticker on it isn't going to change how schools are funded(which the federal government shouldn't be doing btw).

Clearing out our surplus that was built to kill Russians and selling it to Europe to kill Russians with is basically the best possible outcome for the US. Otherwise we'd be paying for decommissioning and disposal(which costs more than sending it to UKR).

If you want to argue about how the replacement money is spent that's a different discussion about US defense budgets.

Sorry not sorry, this is such an easy win from the US perspective.

Is there a bunch of pork rolled into it? Definitely. Again, learn to be able to distinguish the difference.

Youre fighting the good fight bot, but this thread is filled with the dumbest of the dumb, angry old dipshit conservatives who are incapable of acknowledging reality.

Everything is now a conspiracy to the low IQ on the right, even selling military equipment to kill a bunch of Russians larping as WW2 Germany.

Really pathetic stuff.

Go put your army clothes on little boy; there's a fight to be won.

You have little boys on the brain. The NAMBLA convention is elsewhere, hombre

Says the moron who thinks a 5'5" comedian plant is a badass wardaddy. He's your daddy alright.