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I agree, Reynolds is sick and I have had him on my fantasy baseball team each year because he checks so many boxes. The M's might have to overpay on the prospect side since some teams will value him as a CFer for at least a few more years while the M's would mostly have him play LF (which doesn't have the premium of CF).chuck said:
Bold as hell for my way of thinking but I'd probably love it in the end. Kelenic needs a new home. Hancock is special but I have doubts about his durability too. Ford would hurt.dnc said:
I'd make that deal. Hancock is easily expendable, we have plenty of high minors arms of similar quality (Miller, Berroa, Dollard). Kelenic probably needs a fresh start, I don't think he's going to pan out here. Ford would hurt to lose as I'm super high on him but you move a guy like that for Reynolds. I'd include Flexen and pay his salary for them too if need be.HFNY said:
It really comes down to ownership's budget and I'm thinking Hancock and Brash will help allow the M's to move on from Flexen or Marco, which would save at least $6 million in 2023 and who knows how much more beyond.chuck said:Nimmo isn't really my favorite player still in the picture Actually I'm not sure who is...maybe Reynolds.
Good addition though if it happens. I wouldn't complain.
I haven't assembled a list, but reading up on prospects a bit today, it strikes me that there are a number of good SS prospects low in the Ms system. Another, possibly an extreme high end prospect, is expected to sign with Seattle as an international free agent.
That probably played a role in not wanting to commit so much to a free agent SS. They're young but not 10 years away.
So do the M's value controllable years (that they'll likely have to buy out after 2023) in Bryan Reynolds and their prospects less or if they value their prospects a ton will they go for Nimmo, who will cost more in 2023 and perhaps 2024 relative to Reynolds? Reynolds will push to have the last two arb years bought out.
For Reynolds, the Pirates may want Hancock and Ford besides Kelenic so that would simply be too much in my mind. The problem with Nimmo is that he also comes with a qualifying offer so the M's would give up a relatively high draft pick to sign him (besides $17 to $21 million a year).
Benintendi is cheaper but wouldn't play as good of a LF Nimmo (who could also spell Julio in CF if need be) and doesn't have the same power profile (and Nimmo doesn't have the same power profile as Reynolds).
Another option would be to do a low-risk 1 year pillow deal with Seattle's own Michael Conforto. He'd be the cheapest and would rotate at RF / DH.
Lastly, another trade candidate could be Jake McCarthy since he'd be cheaper than Reynolds in terms of salary / prospects needed but he is certainly riskier since he doesn't have much proven production. However, he has proven success against MLB pitching while Kelenic and Trammell don't so
Best case scenario is that ownership is willing to open the wallet and sign Nimmo to a 3 or 4 year deal but I don't think they will do that (while giving up a relatively high draft pick). So if I had to guess, will sign Conforto to $1 year, $12 million deal and a team option for a 2nd year at $18 million or a $1 million buyout. It is a relatively low risk deal the M's while they have a veteran player with proven production for 2023 in case Kelenic / Trammell / Marlowe can't break through.
What do others think?
But then I look at Reynolds again and holy shit. He's still young, he's versatile and fast he switch hits with fairly equal splits, and he has power.
Yeah do it.
Another thing we don't know by how much the FO values Cal Raleigh. If they like his future with the team beyond 2023, then leveraging Ford's value now wouldn't hurt as much. Plus if Kelenic struggles another year, his trade value drops waaay down and he would add move value to Pittsburgh as a CF / LF in 2023 than the M's (much shorter leash). -
I'm not sure that Ford is going to stay at catcher. Not saying he won't, don't twist. He's not limited to that though.HFNY said:
I agree, Reynolds is sick and I have had him on my fantasy baseball team each year because he checks so many boxes. The M's might have to overpay on the prospect side since some teams will value him as a CFer for at least a few more years while the M's would mostly have him play LF (which doesn't have the premium of CF).chuck said:
Bold as hell for my way of thinking but I'd probably love it in the end. Kelenic needs a new home. Hancock is special but I have doubts about his durability too. Ford would hurt.dnc said:
I'd make that deal. Hancock is easily expendable, we have plenty of high minors arms of similar quality (Miller, Berroa, Dollard). Kelenic probably needs a fresh start, I don't think he's going to pan out here. Ford would hurt to lose as I'm super high on him but you move a guy like that for Reynolds. I'd include Flexen and pay his salary for them too if need be.HFNY said:
It really comes down to ownership's budget and I'm thinking Hancock and Brash will help allow the M's to move on from Flexen or Marco, which would save at least $6 million in 2023 and who knows how much more beyond.chuck said:Nimmo isn't really my favorite player still in the picture Actually I'm not sure who is...maybe Reynolds.
Good addition though if it happens. I wouldn't complain.
I haven't assembled a list, but reading up on prospects a bit today, it strikes me that there are a number of good SS prospects low in the Ms system. Another, possibly an extreme high end prospect, is expected to sign with Seattle as an international free agent.
That probably played a role in not wanting to commit so much to a free agent SS. They're young but not 10 years away.
So do the M's value controllable years (that they'll likely have to buy out after 2023) in Bryan Reynolds and their prospects less or if they value their prospects a ton will they go for Nimmo, who will cost more in 2023 and perhaps 2024 relative to Reynolds? Reynolds will push to have the last two arb years bought out.
For Reynolds, the Pirates may want Hancock and Ford besides Kelenic so that would simply be too much in my mind. The problem with Nimmo is that he also comes with a qualifying offer so the M's would give up a relatively high draft pick to sign him (besides $17 to $21 million a year).
Benintendi is cheaper but wouldn't play as good of a LF Nimmo (who could also spell Julio in CF if need be) and doesn't have the same power profile (and Nimmo doesn't have the same power profile as Reynolds).
Another option would be to do a low-risk 1 year pillow deal with Seattle's own Michael Conforto. He'd be the cheapest and would rotate at RF / DH.
Lastly, another trade candidate could be Jake McCarthy since he'd be cheaper than Reynolds in terms of salary / prospects needed but he is certainly riskier since he doesn't have much proven production. However, he has proven success against MLB pitching while Kelenic and Trammell don't so
Best case scenario is that ownership is willing to open the wallet and sign Nimmo to a 3 or 4 year deal but I don't think they will do that (while giving up a relatively high draft pick). So if I had to guess, will sign Conforto to $1 year, $12 million deal and a team option for a 2nd year at $18 million or a $1 million buyout. It is a relatively low risk deal the M's while they have a veteran player with proven production for 2023 in case Kelenic / Trammell / Marlowe can't break through.
What do others think?
But then I look at Reynolds again and holy shit. He's still young, he's versatile and fast he switch hits with fairly equal splits, and he has power.
Yeah do it.
Another thing we don't know by how much the FO values Cal Raleigh. If they like his future with the team beyond 2023, then leveraging Ford's value now wouldn't hurt as much. Plus if Kelenic struggles another year, his trade value drops waaay down and he would add move value to Pittsburgh as a CF / LF in 2023 than the M's (much shorter leash). -
If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
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I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
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Good point.dnc said:
I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
I watched a variety of short video clips last night, including some Winker highlights. One thing bugging me right now is this:. I bet he puts up his 2021 numbers for Milwaukee this season. That doesn't mean he would in Seattle, but if he did that would be all the improvement Seattle's lineup needs.
I'm sure it was the right move to get him out, but that's still going to be a gut punch for me.
Edit...on another note and to avoid double posting...The Ms Fan sided/sodo mojo or whatever the fuck page actually had a sensible idea yesterday. Brandon Drury perfectly fits one of Seattle's needs. He can play corner infield or corner outfield, hits for some power, and (from what I've seen) is a tough out that would fit the bottom of their lineup like a glove. -
Winker probably will have a nice bounce back year but I have read multiple times that he wasn't the best in the clubhouse. Maybe Julio or some of the other younger guys who will be with the team for awhile didn't jive with him?chuck said:
Good point.dnc said:
I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
I watched a variety of short video clips last night, including some Winker highlights. One thing bugging me right now is this:. I bet he puts up his 2021 numbers for Milwaukee this season. That doesn't mean he would in Seattle, but if he did that would be all the improvement Seattle's lineup needs.
I'm sure it was the right move to get him out, but that's still going to be a gut punch for me.
Edit...on another note and to avoid double posting...The Ms Fan sided/sodo mojo or whatever the fuck page actually had a sensible idea yesterday. Brandon Drury perfectly fits one of Seattle's needs. He can play corner infield or corner outfield, hits for some power, and (from what I've seen) is a tough out that would fit the bottom of their lineup like a glove.
Drury is intriguing but he's bad in LF and subpar at 3B. He probably wants to go somewhere where he can play 1B full time but maybe the M's could appeal to him as a back-up 1B / 3B / DH guy.
I'm not sure how he is in the clubhouse but AJ Pollock could be a good fit in LF. Even though he just turned 35, he has a proven bat and still mashes lefties. He could platoon with Trammell and also DH some. -
Dipoto has talked a lot about the need for a viable backup, primarily for first and third that's also a viable enough bat to slot in as the DH. He fills both all three needs and could play OF in a pinch. It'd be great if he was a plus fielder but isn't necessary to be a good addition.HFNY said:
Winker probably will have a nice bounce back year but I have read multiple times that he wasn't the best in the clubhouse. Maybe Julio or some of the other younger guys who will be with the team for awhile didn't jive with him?chuck said:
Good point.dnc said:
I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
I watched a variety of short video clips last night, including some Winker highlights. One thing bugging me right now is this:. I bet he puts up his 2021 numbers for Milwaukee this season. That doesn't mean he would in Seattle, but if he did that would be all the improvement Seattle's lineup needs.
I'm sure it was the right move to get him out, but that's still going to be a gut punch for me.
Edit...on another note and to avoid double posting...The Ms Fan sided/sodo mojo or whatever the fuck page actually had a sensible idea yesterday. Brandon Drury perfectly fits one of Seattle's needs. He can play corner infield or corner outfield, hits for some power, and (from what I've seen) is a tough out that would fit the bottom of their lineup like a glove.
Drury is intriguing but he's bad in LF and subpar at 3B. He probably wants to go somewhere where he can play 1B full time but maybe the M's could appeal to him as a back-up 1B / 3B / DH guy.
I'm not sure how he is in the clubhouse but AJ Pollock could be a good fit in LF. Even though he just turned 35, he has a proven bat and still mashes lefties. He could platoon with Trammell and also DH some. -
What do you think about Pollock?chuck said:
Dipoto has talked a lot about the need for a viable backup, primarily for first and third that's also a viable enough bat to slot in as the DH. He fills both all three needs and could play OF in a pinch. It'd be great if he was a plus fielder but isn't necessary to be a good addition.HFNY said:
Winker probably will have a nice bounce back year but I have read multiple times that he wasn't the best in the clubhouse. Maybe Julio or some of the other younger guys who will be with the team for awhile didn't jive with him?chuck said:
Good point.dnc said:
I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
I watched a variety of short video clips last night, including some Winker highlights. One thing bugging me right now is this:. I bet he puts up his 2021 numbers for Milwaukee this season. That doesn't mean he would in Seattle, but if he did that would be all the improvement Seattle's lineup needs.
I'm sure it was the right move to get him out, but that's still going to be a gut punch for me.
Edit...on another note and to avoid double posting...The Ms Fan sided/sodo mojo or whatever the fuck page actually had a sensible idea yesterday. Brandon Drury perfectly fits one of Seattle's needs. He can play corner infield or corner outfield, hits for some power, and (from what I've seen) is a tough out that would fit the bottom of their lineup like a glove.
Drury is intriguing but he's bad in LF and subpar at 3B. He probably wants to go somewhere where he can play 1B full time but maybe the M's could appeal to him as a back-up 1B / 3B / DH guy.
I'm not sure how he is in the clubhouse but AJ Pollock could be a good fit in LF. Even though he just turned 35, he has a proven bat and still mashes lefties. He could platoon with Trammell and also DH some. -
To fill a platoon in left as a rental? I really haven't watched him play much and didn't know what kind of stats he's had until just now. He had a huge 2021 but came back to earth a bit last year. I don't think your expectations could be all that high for him to produce much above average offense, but he'd be solid if healthy.HFNY said:
What do you think about Pollock?chuck said:
Dipoto has talked a lot about the need for a viable backup, primarily for first and third that's also a viable enough bat to slot in as the DH. He fills both all three needs and could play OF in a pinch. It'd be great if he was a plus fielder but isn't necessary to be a good addition.HFNY said:
Winker probably will have a nice bounce back year but I have read multiple times that he wasn't the best in the clubhouse. Maybe Julio or some of the other younger guys who will be with the team for awhile didn't jive with him?chuck said:
Good point.dnc said:
I don't hate the idea, but you can't dump salary on Pittsburgh. The whole point of trading Reynolds is they don't want to pay him.Fishpo31 said:If Ford is the key, the package should include Evan White. This is the worst contract on the club. When he isn't "hurt", he can't hit. This is what the Red Sox did when they traded Mookie to the Dodgers. David Price went with him for $90mm, for 114 IP in 2 years (sat out covid year). Allegedly the Sox paid half of it. If they want the top prospect, then they get a bad contract.
I watched a variety of short video clips last night, including some Winker highlights. One thing bugging me right now is this:. I bet he puts up his 2021 numbers for Milwaukee this season. That doesn't mean he would in Seattle, but if he did that would be all the improvement Seattle's lineup needs.
I'm sure it was the right move to get him out, but that's still going to be a gut punch for me.
Edit...on another note and to avoid double posting...The Ms Fan sided/sodo mojo or whatever the fuck page actually had a sensible idea yesterday. Brandon Drury perfectly fits one of Seattle's needs. He can play corner infield or corner outfield, hits for some power, and (from what I've seen) is a tough out that would fit the bottom of their lineup like a glove.
Drury is intriguing but he's bad in LF and subpar at 3B. He probably wants to go somewhere where he can play 1B full time but maybe the M's could appeal to him as a back-up 1B / 3B / DH guy.
I'm not sure how he is in the clubhouse but AJ Pollock could be a good fit in LF. Even though he just turned 35, he has a proven bat and still mashes lefties. He could platoon with Trammell and also DH some. -
11 years for Correa. The NL west spending competition is fun.
Question..does anyone here think Seattle should've been in on the retardation the three FA shortstops created? Would you approve of a huge annual payment to a washed up SS for 3-5 years at the end of the contract?
Not me. The Ms come out of this in better position than the big spenders, imo. Their hands aren't tied.
Watch the trade value for Flexen and Marco sky rocket once all these big spenders realize they only have half of a rotation. That's what I'm banking on.
