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Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiotI get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...
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Sounds like you have picked your pascal's wager quadrant and are ok with the lower left.YellowSnow said:
Read my first post in this thread.MikeDamone said:
That’s my point. Im an atheist though. But I understand the benefit religion has in organization and maintaining a civil society throughout history and today. I’m not anti religion. Atheists who lose their shit over religion are fucking annoying. They are usually arrogant smug pricks as well.PurpleThrobber said:
It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.MikeDamone said:
Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.YellowSnow said:
Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.MikeDamone said:
I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.YellowSnow said:
I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.MikeDamone said:
The point is, you have faith.YellowSnow said:
Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.MikeDamone said:
Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.YellowSnow said:My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...
Earth = 4.5 billion years old
Simple life emerges 600 million years ago
Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years
Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago
Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.
I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.
Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.
ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.
At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens.
I appreciate my mainline Protestant heritage. -
Sermon Seeker - TRUE believer in REAL God (protestant division)
The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up1to392831weretaken said:I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...
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It doesn't matter. Nothing matters. Husky football doesn't matter. NOCStateChampWereU said:Reading this board Nihilism seems the overwhelming
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Flying spaghetti monsterinan - God's not real you fucking idiot
I think everyone just needs to branch out and try a new scripture. I recommend these two bibles.RaceBannon said:
The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up1to392831weretaken said:I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...
Everyone knows both sides by heart by now -
Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhere
I remember my calling non-atheists idiots stage.MikeDamone said:
That’s my point. Im an atheist though. But I understand the benefit religion has in organization and maintaining a civil society throughout history and today. I’m not anti religion. Atheists who lose their shit over religion are fucking annoying. They are usually arrogant smug pricks as well. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a stupid schtick. Some very intelligent and enlightened people throughout history aren’t so dismissive and flippant about it. Calling people of faith idiots show inability to think abstractly and see a picture.PurpleThrobber said:
It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.MikeDamone said:
Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.YellowSnow said:
Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.MikeDamone said:
I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.YellowSnow said:
I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.MikeDamone said:
The point is, you have faith.YellowSnow said:
Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.MikeDamone said:
Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.YellowSnow said:My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...
Earth = 4.5 billion years old
Simple life emerges 600 million years ago
Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years
Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago
Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.
I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.
Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.
ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.
At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens. -
We’re in a simRaceBannon said:
Eternity has no beginning or endMikeDamone said:
It’s also a big leap to think it started from nothing. Like I said, I’m an atheist. Mostly because I’m lazy. If I were motivated I’d probably be agnostic and if I had any ambition I’d probably be a Christian.YellowSnow said:
How do you figure? That we haven't unraveled the mysteries of the Big Bang doesn't make it more likely that there was/is a master designer than not. And furthermore, it's big leap to get from "the origins of the Universe are complicated" to the Nicaean Creed.PurpleThrobber said:
It takes a whole lot more faith to believe the entirety of the universe came together by a series of unrelated cells, minerals, atoms and events than to accept that perhaps there is some master designer that built it.MikeDamone said:
Yes… it can be. Which is why “life emerges” 600 million years ago requires faith. Because it can be dismissed without evidence.YellowSnow said:
Some are wrong. There's no metaphysical claim with "life emerges", rather, we're? just saying we don't know yet (and may never know). But not knowing the answer doesn't equate to evidence of magic or that the laws of physics were suspended this one time.MikeDamone said:
I didn’t assert you stressed. Just stated a fact. Yet some would suggest “life emerges” is a metaphysical claim.YellowSnow said:
I don’t stress about it much. The burden of proof is not on me after all. I don’t make any metaphysical claims.MikeDamone said:
The point is, you have faith.YellowSnow said:
Well, yeah, if I’m wrong, the consequences are dire. Eternal damnation sounds like a real bummer.MikeDamone said:
Some say it takes more faith not to believe than to believe.YellowSnow said:My basic elevator speech hasn't changed much since HS...
Earth = 4.5 billion years old
Simple life emerges 600 million years ago
Dinosaurs for like 200 millions years
Early modern homo sapiens don't arrive until 200,000 years ago
Then 2,000 years ago in the most bass akwards part of the world (not Rome or China mind you) amongst a bunch of bronze age goat herders, the most important even in the history of the planet occurs, followed by a Roman Emperor needing a new state religion three centuries later.
I need more evidence guys and can't take on faith. But that's just me, and believing that we're simply worm dirt when we die ain't for everyone.
Mrs. Snow is a confirmed papist, but more of a deist these days. I told her she can take on a new boyfriend in heaven if I don't get in.
ATBSJBS, I'm thankful for the Protestant Reformation and the good that it did in creating the modern world.
At the end of the day, I stand by Saint Chris Hitchens point, which is to say that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
My bro in law has a PHD in chemistry. From UW in the mid 90s. He runs a big department of about 200 people doing top secret shit. His journey to Christianity was chinteresting (or not). The deeper he got into science and his field, he could no longer ignore that God exists. Until he then accepted Christ. He’s not the only scientist I know who went through this. It doesn’t prove or disprove anything. I just find it compelling when people deep into chemistry, biology, archaeology, astronomy, etc either become Christian’s or their faith deepens.
There was always something
More like seen and unseen
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Whatever you do, don’t talk politics is the Shoppe1to392831weretaken said:I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...
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Religious people are stupid, ignorant, hateful, and intolerant. They want to force women to have babies, but disappear when it’s time to take care of them.RaceBannon said:
The internet basically killed the argument. Kind of weird to see it pop back up1to392831weretaken said:I get the feeling any minute now one of these sides is going to convince the other. We're almost there...
Everyone knows both sides by heart by now
That’s the narrative I’m sticking with. It just sounds so good at cocktail parties. -
Deist - some God of some sort is out there, somewhereI went to church (Presbyterian) as a child with my mom, while dad played golf. When mom learned to play golf, we stopped going to church, and I started playing golf. I've spent a lot of time in Catholic Churches, looking back, I apparently have a predilection (or fetish) for Catholic girls (Joe's Garage, IIRC @Yella)...
I think religion today is like a lot of things in life...initial great intentions, rules, customs, a sense of order, and as those great intentions move forward, people/institutions have found a way to monetize and market them to the masses as "THIS is the way, and it's the ONLY way". My wife was raised Catholic, but we don't go to church because we didn't marry in the church, and it guilts the shit out of her (the Catholic way). My problem is with the "True Believers" trying to get others to convert. Our neighbors dropped that on us early, and I put a stop to that convo in a hurry. I have no issue with what they believe, until they try to make me believe as they do.
I am conflicted about a lot of it, but I am not conflicted in my personal beliefs, so I got that going for me, which is nice...
