Russ to Denver
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I wondered the same. Was listening to talking heads this AM and apparently he demanded a trade out of there after his last season (before the sexual assault stuff came to light) which ended up being 4 - 12. Both sides hate each other, apparently.RaceBannon said:Watson can't play in Houston because but 31 other teams are fine
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This is dumb af.KrunkJuice said:
In his 10 years if you average out every year he is a top 10ish guy. Seahawks fans need to stop with this transcendent shit. At best he is a pretty good QB. He is way to inconsistent to be very good. He isn't anything more than that.dnc said:
FOHKrunkJuice said:
Wagner has been the top LB since he entered the league. Wilson has barely been even a top 10 guy at his position. If you let him in you have let in Stafford, Ryan, Eli, Rivers and Palmer . None of those guys are HOF's. Wilson has never had an MVP vote and has been All Pro 1 time in 10 years. None of those things are going to change in Denver because he isn't that type of player like he thinks he is. He is an overrated, arrogant, selfish prick.dnc said:
They're both HOFers rather easilyKrunkJuice said:
He should. He actually is a Hall of Famer unlike Wilson who isn't.BleachedAnusDawg said:Does Bobby Wagner get his own thread?
You can’t possibly be dumb enough to believe that.
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I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best. -
Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best. -
Closer to 10 maybe but not by much. He’s probably 5-7. Early in his career he was behind Peyton, Brady, Brees and Rodgers and at the top of the next tier. Now he’s behind Mahomes, Allen, Brady, Rodgers and toward the top of the next tier.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best. -
I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.
If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings. -
Checkdnc said:I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.
If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.
Russell
Jabar
Magic
Michael
LeBron -
Why do you hate Big Shot Bob?RaceBannon said:
Checkdnc said:I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.
If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.
Russell
Jabar
Magic
Michael
LeBron -
The elite defense in the second year was banged up and was getting shredded the whole fourth quarter.BleachedAnusDawg said:
Good enough to win a SB with an elite defense. Good enough to also lose a SB with an elite defense. Their playoff record since then was laughable with wins against very suspect teams, as was pointed out. Top-10 during his era, yes, but I would have him closer to 10 than 1. I don't think he's HOF material at all, but I seem to have higher standards than many people because I also think Eli should not get in and that more than half the guys in Halls of Fame are not really deserving.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.
He’s been a great QB. The personal bias is stupid. He showed and produced at a high level every year except last year, and he was hampered by injury last season. He’s gotten better since those two Super Bowls, not worse. Unfortunately he got his money, his supporting cast got old, and the team was not as good.
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Why do you hate Big Shot Bob?RaceBannon said:
Checkdnc said:I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.
If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.
Russell
Jabar
Magic
Michael
LeBron
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