Russ to Denver
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Your citing Pro Bowls? Its a popularity contest. 1 All-Pro in 10 years. That will never improve. No MVP votes. This certainly wont go up. At best Hall of very good. As of now, he is battling for the last wild card spot in the AFC. Decent chance they don't even make the playoffs. This won't put him over the top to get in.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best. -
Players top 100, pro bowl, passer rating, TD: INT - there's a plethora of metrics that show Russ is easily a top 10 QB over the span of his career.KrunkJuice said:
Your citing Pro Bowls? Its a popularity contest. 1 All-Pro in 10 years. That will never improve. No MVP votes. This certainly wont go up. At best Hall of very good. As of now, he is battling for the last wild card spot in the AFC. Decent chance they don't even make the playoffs. This won't put him over the top to get in.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.
You have yet to point to one that suggests he's not.
Still waiting. -
RaceBannon said:
Checkdnc said:I agree the HOF bar is too low and Eli doesn’t deserve to be in.
If Eli is a HOFer then Bill Russell better be your NBA GOAT because all you care about is rings.
Russell
Jabar
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stop bullying Krunkjuicednc said:
Players top 100, pro bowl, passer rating, TD: INT - there's a plethora of metrics that show Russ is easily a top 10 QB over the span of his career.KrunkJuice said:
Your citing Pro Bowls? Its a popularity contest. 1 All-Pro in 10 years. That will never improve. No MVP votes. This certainly wont go up. At best Hall of very good. As of now, he is battling for the last wild card spot in the AFC. Decent chance they don't even make the playoffs. This won't put him over the top to get in.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.
You have yet to point to one that suggests he's not.
Still waiting. -
Lol now we are citing the meaningless players vote. Should have also added last time he wasn't All Decade and won't be on the next one either. Those will be reserved for Aaron Rodgers/Joe Burrow and Patrick Mahomes. Actual Hall of Fam level players. Now we are at no All Decade Team, no MVP votes in 10 years, 1 all pro team team in 10 years. You don't get put in the HOF on metrics. You are put in on accomplishments and he won't achieve anymore of those. Denver isn't really a QB away and now they have no meaningful draft picks and will have to pay him after this year. The window has already closed on them.dnc said:
Players top 100, pro bowl, passer rating, TD: INT - there's a plethora of metrics that show Russ is easily a top 10 QB over the span of his career.KrunkJuice said:
Your citing Pro Bowls? Its a popularity contest. 1 All-Pro in 10 years. That will never improve. No MVP votes. This certainly wont go up. At best Hall of very good. As of now, he is battling for the last wild card spot in the AFC. Decent chance they don't even make the playoffs. This won't put him over the top to get in.dnc said:I'd love for you to back up your assertion that he's top 10ish for his career with any sort of objective metric.
I already gave you the players top 100 perspective.
Pro Bowl:
2012: 1 of 11 (last NFL alternate so you could argue as low as 11th)
2013: 1 of 6 originally selected
2014: 1 of 6 originally selected
2015: 1 of 6 originally selected, starter
2016: Not selected
2017: 1 of 6 originally selected
2018: 1 of 12 (first NFC alternate, so you could argue as low as 10th)
2019: 1 of 6 originally selected, selected as starter
2020: 1 of 6 originally selected
2021: 1 of 10 (second NFC alternate, you could argue as low as 10th)
Brady has been to 9 Pro Bowls in that time. Rodgers has been to 8. Brees went to 7 in his 9 years of this span.
Big Ben went to 6...total in his career. Matt Ryan's been to 4 total. Mahomes has been to 4 straight. Eli went to 4 total. Lamar's been to 2 in 4 seasons. Cam made 3. Matt Stafford and Josh Allen have been to 1.
Russ has firmly been inside the top 10 the vast majority of his career, and is probably around an average of the 5th best QB at any given point in his career. I get you don't like the guy and that's fine. He's not especially likable.
I doubt you have any real argument for his as "top 10ish" for his career. You certainly don't have any argument for "pretty good at best". At his best he's absolutely the elite of the elite. I agree he's not been that consistently. But he's been a lot better than pretty good, and certainly better than pretty good at best.
You have yet to point to one that suggests he's not.
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I have no dog in this fight. I hate the Seahawks. I hate the 12s. I hate RW because he’s been a 49ers killer over his career.
To say RW is not top 10 is kinda far fetched to me. I wouldn’t call him top 5 as that group includes Brady, Mahomes, Rogers, Allen, Manning before his arm fell off, and probably a few others.
This article on CBS Sports prompted this poast.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-insider-notes-how-qb-landscape-changed-forever-as-carousel-goes-off-rails-plus-biggest-winner-next-move/
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Seattle was never gonna win another Super Bowl with Wilson -- not as long as Jody Allen owns the team and leaves everything up to Carroll. Only way it could happen would be a total overhaul in the front office and coaching staff, and that's not in the cards. But besides that, you'd have to be blind not to see that Wilson has plateaued and he's just getting older with more off-field distractions. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start getting hurt every year. Time has a way of catching up with you -- especially when you've been pretty injury resistant your first 10 years.
2022 will be very painful for Seahawks fans.
Edited to add: There is no way in hell Wilson plays 10 more years. -
Listening to Greg Olsen describe what things were like behind the scenes with Pete Carroll makes me realize that Pete is fully to blame for Seattle's decayTheHB said:Seattle was never gonna win another Super Bowl with Wilson -- not as long as Jody Allen owns the team and leaves everything up to Carroll. Only way it could happen would be a total overhaul in the front office and coaching staff, and that's not in the cards. But besides that, you'd have to be blind not to see that Wilson has plateaued and he's just getting older with more off-field distractions. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start getting hurt every year. Time has a way of catching up with you -- especially when you've been pretty injury resistant your first 10 years.
2022 will be very painful for Seahawks fans. -
No, Kim.DerekJohnson said:
Is that what he told you?TheHB said:Watson doesn't want to play in the PNW.
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I think Russ's best seasons are still to comeTheHB said:Seattle was never gonna win another Super Bowl with Wilson -- not as long as Jody Allen owns the team and leaves everything up to Carroll. Only way it could happen would be a total overhaul in the front office and coaching staff, and that's not in the cards. But besides that, you'd have to be blind not to see that Wilson has plateaued and he's just getting older with more off-field distractions. I wouldn't be surprised to see him start getting hurt every year. Time has a way of catching up with you -- especially when you've been pretty injury resistant your first 10 years.
2022 will be very painful for Seahawks fans.
Edited to add: There is no way in hell Wilson plays 10 more years.
