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  • chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,484 Swaye's Wigwam

    Who is attainable? All the big fish have been caught. I can't believe I'm debating who Oregon should hire. I just want whoever is going to fail miserably. I want another Taggart.
    I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    dnc said:

    It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.
    dnc said:

    It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.
    Helfrich out recruited Petersen. HTH.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    You think it's that big of a game changer?

    SC didn't have Lincoln Riley when Helfrich was there either.
    I think Oregon will recruit well regardless of who their coach is, yes. This is more true now than it was 6 years ago because of NIL, yes. They are a machine with an enormous born-in advantage with Phil and Nike.

    They should hire a coach, not a recruiter.
  • CallMeBigErnCallMeBigErn Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,028 Swaye's Wigwam
    edited December 2021
    chuck said:

    I'd start by filtering my list down to coaches with winning records at the FBS or at least FCS level.
    Yes, Wilcox doesn't have an outstanding HC record. Neither did Cristobal. There's a lot of factors as to why coaches don't succeed in certain places but do in others.

    It's Cal.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited December 2021
    dnc said:

    It didn't recruit itself under Helfrich.
    Petersen vs Helfrich recruiting rankings head to head

    2014. UO 21 UW 38
    2015. UO 16 UW 26
    2016. UO 27 UW 29

    A crappy Oregon coach out recruited the best coach Washington has in 2 decades. Maybe 3. Why?
  • RTDRTD Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 837 Founders Club
    22 pages and counting, this is how you deep dive!

    Let’s deep dive Wilcox’s staff first before rationalizing it.
    Staff having a tough go of it here early, but this thread is delivering as promised. It’s really deep diving the shit out of Wilcox!

  • Beno4LifeBeno4Life Member Posts: 533

    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    dnc said:

    His last class was 7th in the conference. If that's Oregon recruiting itself I'm fine with Oregon recruiting itself.
    247 has his last class as 5th. Petersen third class was that year. 6th.
  • HairyBallsDawgHairyBallsDawg Member Posts: 1,074

    Oregon recruits itself at this point whether we like it or not. And the staff does most of the dirty work and there's no world where Oregon wouldn't shell out big bucks for assistants. Pretty sure Wilcox would still pull in top 15 classes. He would out-recruit DeBoer right now. The fact that Eugene is a rest stop doesn't matter. It's all Phil and Nike.
    Yes there is such a world. It's the one where 83 year old Phil Knight isn't around anymore to prop up the school with Nike money. Once he's gone I doubt that $$ pipeline continues.
  • MikeDamoneMikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    Beno4Life said:

    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
  • TheHBTheHB Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 6,455 Swaye's Wigwam
    Wilcox for UW DC? I’m in.
  • haiehaie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 22,707 Swaye's Wigwam

    Yes there is such a world. It's the one where 83 year old Phil Knight isn't around anymore to prop up the school with Nike money. Once he's gone I doubt that $$ pipeline continues.
    But Mosster told me that Nike will continue to give a fuck about them after Phil is gone. The egg shell uniforms, lewis and Clark helmets, and prime location in Eugene is really important to their business model.
  • RTDRTD Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 837 Founders Club
    edited December 2021
    Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys name. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…





























  • chuckchuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,484 Swaye's Wigwam

    Yes, Wilcox doesn't have an outstanding HC record. Neither did Cristobal. There's a lot of factors as to why coaches don't succeed in certain places but do in others.

    It's Cal.
    If you're right, and he's substantially better than the record he has put up so far, then he's going to have to prove it. He'll have to take a sister of the poor program to significant heights. Bruce Snyder did it at Cal. Jeff Tedford did it at Cal. It can be done at Cal unless you're saying the school is more hostile to winning football now than it was then.

    If not then he's going to have to find a different gig at a similar or lower tier and do something he hasn't done yet...win. Then he'll be a sensible consideration for upper echelon football programs. Right now he'd be a humiliating acceptance of mediocrity, a surrender, for any power five team with aspirations of championship football. That included UW and it sure as hell includes Oregon.
  • HuskyJWHuskyJW Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 15,141 Swaye's Wigwam
    A world might exist where UO was fully aware of this situation the whole time….
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