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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 69,726 Founders Club
    MikeDamone said:

    RTD said:

    Im a little torn on the pending Oregon HC / staff transition. Crystalball is clearly a great recruiter, I’m mean look at the guys names. Wish he would stay forever because his coaching chops are perfectly mediocre. Gonna miss this guy too…





























    Interim bowl coach. He gets ejected by halftime for sideline violations

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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,917
    Gladstone said:

    Good lord. Cristobal toiled under the GOAT Saban for five years (OL, AHC/OL, then co-OC/OL) learning the ropes before returning to a HC role. He didn't go from FIU direct to Oregon. Mach 5 into steel wall levels of dumb doog takes in this thread.

    Dumb doog takes at Mach 5 can melt steel beams.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,721 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    Beno4Life said:

    MikeDamone said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Swaye said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    chuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?
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  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,855
    MikeDamone said:

    Beno4Life said:

    MikeDamone said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Swaye said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    chuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    You're taking his worst classes and calling them his ceiling.

    They wasn't close to UW's ceiling, Pete proceeded to produce significantly better classes the very next season.

    But I'm sure that's because Helfrich was gone.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    dnc said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Beno4Life said:

    MikeDamone said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Swaye said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    chuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    You're taking his worst classes and calling them his ceiling.

    They wasn't close to UW's ceiling, Pete proceeded to produce significantly better classes the very next season.

    But I'm sure that's because Helfrich was gone.
    Helfrich out recruited Petersen head to head for 3 years. Simple fact.
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  • BleachedAnusDawg
    BleachedAnusDawg Member Posts: 13,721 Standard Supporter
    MikeDamone said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Beno4Life said:

    MikeDamone said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Swaye said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    chuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?
    NOGAF about the NFL.
    Direct reflection of how those Oregon 4-stars didn't perform.
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  • chuck
    chuck Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 11,805 Swaye's Wigwam
    MikeDamone said:

    BleachedAnusDawg said:

    MikeDamone said:

    Beno4Life said:

    MikeDamone said:

    46XiJCAB said:

    Swaye said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Ice_Holmvik said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    chuck said:

    Gladstone said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?
    NOGAF about the NFL.
    His point isn't about the NFL. The best players go play there. Petersen sent more players to the NFL than Helf because he had better players...because he recruited better players.

    Simple fact.
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    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    My fear is that Wilcox, as an alum, could end up the type who's there for 20 years.
    Yes, as a Junction City kid and UO alum, he probably seems appealing from a "we're a stepping stone school" perspective
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.


    It might not be lightning in a bottle right away but he's going to bring stability and might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine.
    This is a bunch of platitude nonsense that doesn't mean anything. Bringing "stability" means nothing unless you're a good coach. This is one of those buzzwords on Twitter people throw out to try and sound smart. What does 'might be less about the glitzy glamorous Oregon hype machine' mean? How do you qualify this? Gibberish.
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    Oregon has a culture problem imo and Wilcox could very well be the type to fix it, or at least add a little substance to their charade.

    What does this mean? Culture problem of good recruiting? Hiring good coaches? What substance to what charade? This entire post feels like it was written by a ML algorithm that doesn't quite understand the training data yet
    CallMeBigErn said:

    theknowledge said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    OreDawg said:

    Justin Wilcox might be their best realistic option at this point.

    Recruiting will take a step back to Chris Petersen at UW range but this is ultimately an upgrade imo.
    The defense at Oregon under Wilcox will be improved but until proven otherwise I think Wiclox has offense AIDS. He just spreads it to whomever coaches offense under him. Baldwin was on an upward arc until he met Wilcox. Musgrave was an uninspired choice but even he is under what he produced at Virginia. This was the main reason I was wary of the Wilcox superior culture coming to UW. I just can’t handle any more bad offense.

    He will have the tools to do it. I could see him becoming Oregon's Whittingham. Not saying this will for sure happen by any means but I think it's a decent possibility that he's exactly what Oregon needs.
    Can you name literally any metric outside of "has ties to the physical area" that says Wilcox could be their Whittingham? Literally every sentence you typed is brutal wharrgarble nonsense.


    Glad to see that my dog isn't the only one dumb enough to try fighting high volume sprinklers. There's also the one pictured, and @CallMeBigErn
    I prefer revolving door Oregon coaching. In fact, I love it. You don't see it that way and that's cool, Chuck. That's cool.
    You were just stating that hiring Wilcox would bring 20 years of stability to Oregon.
    Bro, did you read the context? I'm saying there's a part of me that thinks that he could be the type to do so. Not saying he will ffs. I don't consider my opinion to be fact unlike some here. I'm raising the point that he could be good for Oregon as devil's advocate. Chill.
    He actually could be. I don't think it's a high probability, but I see your main point. I mean there are mega resources there, and if he could luck into or find a really quality innovative offensive mind he could maybe do some damage there. I'd have hated him at UW, but there is a different dynamic there.

    The one thing that would worry me as a Duck fan (and you alluded to this arguing the other way though) is his "stable" (read that as boring) type mentality. Oregon has always been loud, garish and new money rich. It's a huge part of their persona. That is not Wilcox. So I appreciate you thinking he might "fix" that in a sense, but I think fixing it would break them. It's a 2nd tier school in a shithole town. What makes them get top 10 recruiting classes is the new money swagger.

    Just my thoughts. On balance, I hope like fuck UO hires Wilcocks because I think there is a 10% chance or less he kills it. But there is a chance.
    He’s Mario 2.0 w/o the recruiting. Absolute wrong choice which is why Mullins will hire him.
    Nike and PK recruits for Oregon. Who ever they get will recruit fine. The notion that MC is such an outstanding recruiter is a myth. I could recruit to Oregon just as well. Money talks.
    It’s been pretty well documented by recruits, recruits’ parents (ie Hugh Breed Love Millen), and former staffers (ie Cooper Petagna) that Cristo cares more about recruiting than anything else and implores his staff to recruit like it’s the SEC.

    So yeah, combined that effort and acumen with PK money and you have top-10 classes.
    My point is Oregon’s floor with a dope like Helfrich is higher that UW’s ceiling as demonstrated by Petersen
    Wanna pull up the NFL draft charts for those years?
    NOGAF about the NFL.
    Direct reflection of how those Oregon 4-stars didn't perform.
    That’s a function of coaching. Not recruiting. No one disputes Helfrich was a shitty coach.


    The point here, for you dumb asses who can’t follow along, isn’t that Helfrich is a better recruiter than Petersen, it’s a discussion that Oregon recruits itself to a large extent because of Phil Knight/Nike. Cristobal did better than Helfrich because he’s better than Helfrich, but he gets to start on 2nd base Petersen didn’t blow the doors off a dumbshit like Helfrich because again, Helfrich starts on 2nd base.

    The NFL shit is stupid. Petersen is a better coach and had better assistants. If Helfrich and Peterson have similar talent to work,with, of course Petersen is going to have better results.
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