Was Jimmy just lazy?
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The bulk of his career has come under one of the great program leaders/administrators of the last 20 years. Who gives a shit about Raheem Morris.dtd said:
He coached with Pete at UW for 6 years, and at BSU for 2. He was DB coach under Raheem Morris in Tampa Bay for 2 years, but he thought it would be easy? He had no idea what he was getting into? Sounds like bullshit. Maybe he just got peter principled.Kingdome_Urinals said:He thought being the big leader would be easy. He thought he was a living, breathing special sauce. He had no idea what it took to lead a complex organization like a P5 football team.
He's a guy who had his ass kissed every step of the way and had no drive to be a great HC. Because he already thought he was a great HC, without proving anything.
He probably actually thought he was bigger than the job, and bigger than UW.
He is that big of an idiot.
Trying and competing and accepting "no" from recruits or criticism from outside the program made him triple down on his own decisions in paranoid/deeply insecure fashion.
College coaching careers are a crapshoot, he won the lottery by latching on with Pete in Boise. Just like Sark with Carroll.
He had no clue what it took his bosses to get the job done.
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Isnt a HC in cfb more like a GM than a traditional HC at the NFL or HS level? Like most of your work isn't related to the actual coaching and gamecalling. Seems like they are different skillsets in alot of ways and why hiring a career coordinator to HC will always be a gamble
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Montana = GodFireCohen said:
If this is true. Got to love they way god can really humble a person. Dude got handed a Top 25 program HC job and he just pissed it away.backthepack said:Heard a rumor that he thought they were cake walk their schedule and that his agent was already throwing his name out there in NFL circles as early as June.
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Sounds like is he is a smug asshole who didn’t want to keep the program Pete set up even in terms of recruiting. Sounds like he was a lazy fuck who didn’t take responsibility
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He thought he was Mario... he isn't even a mini me version of himKingdome_Urinals said:He thought being the big leader would be easy. He thought he was a living, breathing special sauce. He had no idea what it took to lead a complex organization like a P5 football team.
He's a guy who had his ass kissed every step of the way and had no drive to be a great HC. Because he already thought he was a great HC, without proving anything.
He probably actually thought he was bigger than the job, and bigger than UW.
He is that big of an idiot.
Trying and competing and accepting "no" from recruits or criticism from outside the program made him triple down on his own decisions in paranoid/deeply insecure fashion. -
Stop with the racial BSChillyDawg said:No, Jimmy wasn't lazy, something that could have racist connotations when used in a questionable conjunction with an African American, far from it. If anything Jimmy was overzealous in his coaching approach leading the program. The social media presence doesn't fall directly on him but the UW athletic department as well since they manage a lot of the social media accounts and media relations as we saw with all of the negative Jimmy Lake stories that kept on coming out in the recent days.
Jimmy made a very bad decision by hiring the secretarial assistant to the assistant RB coach from Jacksonville in Jon Donovan, a person no one was looking to hire as an OC at any level, as his OC on UW TE coach Derham Cato's recommendation. Then his seemingly refusal to fire him made a lot of people question his leadership abilities aloud.
Jimmy was one of a very few African American coaches to have a college football head coaching job at the NCAA D1 level and at a power 5 university at that which is a even rarer sight in the NCAA in 2021 https://theundefeated.com/features/even-with-the-recent-push-for-diversity-fewer-black-coaches-getting-top-fbs-head-coaching-jobs/ .
Jimmy should have surrounded himself with a better qualified staff and that is all on him no one else as he had the power to select his staff. Jimmy may well be very well off financially now but he will most likely never be a NCAA D1 head coach again. -
Crazy if true, I hope he wasn't that dumb. Plus how disrespectful to CP!FireCohen said:
If this is true. Got to love they way god can really humble a person. Dude got handed a Top 25 program HC job and he just pissed it away.backthepack said:Heard a rumor that he thought they were cake walk their schedule and that his agent was already throwing his name out there in NFL circles as early as June.
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Does that make Jimmy the only Coach to be fired twice by Washington?
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Jimmy is probably just like guys we've all worked for before. They're more interested in being the guy in charge than they are of actually doing the work of the guy in charge.
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The Throbber is not the most woke person on the boards - but 'lazy' implies some kind of racial overtone in today's world.LongDukDong said:Jimmy is like your classical millennial with two years of work experience that has mastered their specific job. Thinks because they know how to do the job that they should be running the department and managing people.
Jimmy doesn’t know how to grind or face adversity. We all saw what happened when he lost his shit on national TV. So yes, he’s entitled, delusional and lazy
Complacent, lackadaisical, inattentive - probably more socially acceptable. All stemming from the aforementioned arrogance.
Somehow it seems Jimmy bided his time like Eddie Haskell ingratiating himself into the Peterman pysche - all the while with the mindset of "When I'm the head guy, all this bullshit is out the window".
It's hard to fathom otherwise.
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Feels unlikely but possible.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Does that make Jimmy the only Coach to be fired twice by Washington?
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Either way, I will be blindly repeating this stat ad-nauseum until someone proves otherwise.dnc said:
Feels unlikely but possible.NeGgaPlEaSe said:Does that make Jimmy the only Coach to be fired twice by Washington?
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So you're saying he was both shiftless and lazy.dnc said:He was absolutely lazy. He got the job, stopped recruiting and immediately had his agent shopping him to NFL teams. He didn't think he had to work to prove himself at this job and was going to leverage it to go to the league.
He had no clue how hard it was going to be.
Not because he was black. Gilby stopped recruiting just like Jimmy did.
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Yes he was both characterized by laziness and lazy. Also slack, neglectful and indolent if we need more redundant synonyms.SFGbob said:
So you're saying he was both shiftless and lazy.dnc said:He was absolutely lazy. He got the job, stopped recruiting and immediately had his agent shopping him to NFL teams. He didn't think he had to work to prove himself at this job and was going to leverage it to go to the league.
He had no clue how hard it was going to be.
Not because he was black. Gilby stopped recruiting just like Jimmy did.
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Jimmy can suck my dick!!! Asshole set the program back 3 years. Lazy and arrogant asswipe! Take your $9.9 million and fuck off
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Overconfident and Lazy.
Jimmy is a good/great DB coach that got lucky Kwat did all the hardwork for him at DC and it’s clear Lake never even knew how much work goes into being an actual coordinator let alone a HC.
He thought he could just kinda do the same half assed shit he has been doing his entire career and skate by; it’s clear in the player development, recruiting, coaching hiring, game planing…. It all screams lazy person still overconfident that the ship will just kind of automatically right itself like it always has.
Incompetent people that work hard get lucky every once in a while, they get upsets, recruiting surprises, improve, bring in people to help, and have wild swings in success/failure.
When I look at Lake I dont see a guy slowly drowning and fighting to keep his head above water, he is a guy talking about how big a fish he is going to catch after his nap while his ship is sinking and on fire. -
The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone. @sonics1993 was first and right on all these points when it came to his recruiting approach and why it failed so spectacularly.
-Huff quoted an anonymous in state recruit that said other schools made him feel like a priority while Jimmy made recruits feel like they should be grateful UW is even considering them
-Jimmy basically ghosted CP after he took over and scrapped his entire recruiting infrastructure. The firing of Cooper Petagna and promotion of Justin Glenn was just the beginning, a lot of mechanisms and processes in the back end were replaced for no apparent reason.
-Even before covid hit Jimmy was already lagging in recruiting. Huff said even Cal had 60+ kids on campus for their Junior day in early 2020 while UW had a small group. Once covid hit they just gave up.
-CP was great at pushing the OKG/Built for Life message with class and respect without coming across as elitist or arrogant. Jimmy not so much. -
Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further. -
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
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The one assistant I am most looking forward to not being on staff is Will Harris. Absolutely worthless. Just aggressively lazy to not be able to recruit defensive backs after the production we’ve had. Stunning regression by the safeties as well.
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Jimmy will be back. For three years he is available cheap since he gets his 3 million less what he makes. NFL or college, someone is making him an assistant.
If he learned anything from failure, and some people do, who knows.
Coaches protect coaches.
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I mean, I don't know the guy, so I can't really say. But this seems pretty much spot on from what I see. I think a lot of people look at the top job and think, "I could do that. Just directing traffic and shit, tell other people what to do, get a coffee and boat home." Or whatever. Still, wondering what he brought to the table for Jen and others to fawn over him like they did. He wasn't even an elite DC. He peaked as the author of DBU. That was his high water mark.Kingdome_Urinals said:He thought being the big leader would be easy. He thought he was a living, breathing special sauce. He had no idea what it took to lead a complex organization like a P5 football team.
He's a guy who had his ass kissed every step of the way and had no drive to be a great HC. Because he already thought he was a great HC, without proving anything.
He probably actually thought he was bigger than the job, and bigger than UW.
He is that big of an idiot.
Trying and competing and accepting "no" from recruits or criticism from outside the program made him triple down on his own decisions in paranoid/deeply insecure fashion.
@Ballz is probably being fitted for a straight jacket at the moment. -
Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.Houhusky said:
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
DIAFF.
My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.
The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run. -
Creepy Bartholomew Coug.sonics1993 said:There was this one guy early on who pointed that out. What was his name?
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I agree that if he hired an average OC they would probably be 9-1 or 8-2 right now. The regression wouldn't have materialized on the field for another 1-2 years similar to Oregon under Helfrich.FremontTroll said:
Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.Houhusky said:
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
DIAFF.
My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.
The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.
Something I've asked myself is, would I have taken 2-3 years of competitive play while the program was heading towards a cliff or swallow the shitty season now in hopes of a new coach turning things around quickly. I'd almost choose the former if it meant a CFP or Rose Bowl appearance vs having no idea what to expect going forward. -
"If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year"FremontTroll said:
Where did I say he didn’t fail spectacularly? It’s actually amazing how fast and hard it crashed given the place the program was in when the reigns were handed over.Houhusky said:
What an incredibly dumbfuck doog take.FremontTroll said:Something to remember is that the margin for error in football is very small. Every coach of every program was successful at some level but most have to fail in order that a few can succeed.
If Jimmy just had hired an average/normal offensive coordinator then UW would likely be humming along at a decently good clip of 10-3 or so every year and the discussion of Jimmy’s faults would be why can’t he get us to the next level.
The lack of any recruiting success is probably more bizarre than the on field failures since pretty much any new coach can generate excitement initially with promises of their future vision. Jimmy didn’t even get a honeymoon class.
Surely the lack of strong recruiters on staff had something to do with that. At some point this last year I think the rot within the program became obvious to potential recruits sinking them even further.
Jimmy's program regressed and failed in every fucking aspect, seriously, what fucking thing did he do well? Because it sure as hell wasn't recruiting, player development, scheme, coaching hires, mental toughness, or fucking winning.
All Jimmy had to do is keep the ship that Pete built cruising and instead he ran it face first into an iceberg @GrandpaSankey could see.
The people who think the difference from 10-3 was just Morris not starting or some shitty OC are a special kind of full fucking retard.
DIAFF.
My point is Jimmy was put into a great position and despite his faults if he hadn’t hired JonDon and simply handed over control of offense to any coordinator with decently modern concept that we would have ended up stuck with Jimmy for a long time as he could have easily put up 10 win seasons (at least 2020/21) without much effort.
The margin between .400 and .700 in the short term is not that large. Plenty of terrible coaches have put up good records you only need to be great to sustain in the long run.
If you believe this you are a retard. Lake was never going to achieve "10-3 or so every year" even if he had prime Reggie Bush and Lincoln Riley as OC for the rest of his life.
Jimmy Lake was a malignant cancer, not a benign tumor. He actively made those around him worse. -
I’m shocked at this. Shocked.insinceredawg said:The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.
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Yup. All offseason they were defending the shitty recruiting and mocking any posters that expressed concern. Kim's favorite line was "UW is favored in every game this year but some here are upset about recruiting". It was excuse after excuse ...no visits, covid evaluations are flawed, it's a small class, etc. Now they're acting as if they had been on him this whole time. Fuck those guys.CheersWestDawg said:
I’m shocked at this. Shocked.insinceredawg said:The Dawgman and 247 guys are not holding any punches back now that Jimmy is gone.
