"Around-the-block" Coordinator Hires...lol
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Around the block coordinators >>> around the way girls.
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Yes, just not on the Wilcox-Holt part. There was definitely a difference.RaceBannon said:
I expect Texas and Sark to still give up 50 to Oklahoma even with Kwat even with Herman playerschuck said:I think the overarching point is correct. It always comes back to the head coach.
You can tell good assistants from really bad ones in most cases though. Wilcox is a good defensive coach. It wasn't hard to see the immediate improvement over Holt.
My guess is that Petersen would have had similarly good defenses at UW with Wilcox as DC as he had with Kawasaki. There's a hell of a lot more to it than scheme. The HC is responsible for the culture, work ethic and all that other gay stuff but he's also ultimately responsible for the personnel. Petersen was a good roster builder. Sark was not.
Sounds like I agree with you
Kwat made a pretty dumb move on the surface if one assumes that he's working on his resume. His defense will struggle with Sark as the HC. It doesn't seem to matter though. He can always fail upward like his new boss keeps doing. -
I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
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I dont want Wilcox back at UW as head coach either. He would be a better hire than Sark was, but that's faint praise.RaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
@dnc is riii righ right but still -
I supper superior cultureRaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
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That's why I don't want himdnc said:
I supper superior cultureRaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
@dnc is riii righ right but still
Even with superior culture his record is meh
Reminds me of "Gilby didn't have the support he needed at Cal but he will do great at UW!"
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I wouldn't really want him. I do think he'd be an improvement over Jimmy and one of the few ones you can realistically imagine Jen pursuing.RaceBannon said:
That's why I don't want himdnc said:
I supper superior cultureRaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
@dnc is riii righ right but still
Even with superior culture his record is meh
Reminds me of "Gilby didn't have the support he needed at Cal but he will do great at UW!"
@BearsWiin
I don't think he'd be the next great Husky coach though.
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Upvote but don't think he'd be an improvement
Let's circle back this November -
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I concede it was a stretch for the sake of my argument. The Carroll/Sark offenses were boring and worked like Novocain as they slowly overwhelmed you with superior athletes. The Chow years were much more dynamic or as dynamic as Carroll would allow an offense to be anyway.dnc said:
I don't think Sark was a great OC for Carroll. It was a big reason I wasn't a big fan of the hire.theknowledge said:Sark was a great OC for Carrol and Saban, he was an average to below average OC at UW and with the Atlanta Falcons. Wilcox was a great DC (top ten defenses) under Peterman and Chryst and good(UW)/average(USC) DC under Sark and Derek Dooley at UT. I fully expect that the bend but don’t break, twelve play drive, hold em to a FG defense of Kwat will be a poor match with the all gas no breaks offense of Sark. Unless Kwat runs a defense completely different from what he ran at Bose/UW or Sark runs an offense completely different from what got him his job at Texas the two styles can’t mesh. Ive got my popcorn ready though.
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He would be a "meh" hire until he wins 10 games at Caldnc said:
I wouldn't really want him. I do think he'd be an improvement over Jimmy and one of the few ones you can realistically imagine Jen pursuing.RaceBannon said:
That's why I don't want himdnc said:
I supper superior cultureRaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
@dnc is riii righ right but still
Even with superior culture his record is meh
Reminds me of "Gilby didn't have the support he needed at Cal but he will do great at UW!"
@BearsWiin
I don't think he'd be the next great Husky coach though.
TPIO
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Jen Cohen has as much chance of hiring Nick Saban as she does Matt Campbell.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
He would be a "meh" hire until he wins 10 games at Caldnc said:
I wouldn't really want him. I do think he'd be an improvement over Jimmy and one of the few ones you can realistically imagine Jen pursuing.RaceBannon said:
That's why I don't want himdnc said:
I supper superior cultureRaceBannon said:I'm not willing to die on the Wilcocks hill I just like calling him Wilcocks and don't want him here if/when Jimmy fails
@dnc is riii righ right but still
Even with superior culture his record is meh
Reminds me of "Gilby didn't have the support he needed at Cal but he will do great at UW!"
@BearsWiin
I don't think he'd be the next great Husky coach though.
TPIO
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Sarks never ending 3 and outs never helped.
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The games we got blown out were the ones the offense went 3 and out 4 times a quarter with a 5 min total time of possessionSources said:Sarks never ending 3 and outs never helped.
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Those Sark years were so frustrating. The three game losing streaks, the head scratching blowouts, the same excuses over and over again and a complete inability to ever recruit competent offensive lineman. You replace your entire defensive staff for incompetence and retain Dan Cozzeto? WTF?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
The games we got blown out were the ones the offense went 3 and out 4 times a quarter with a 5 min total time of possessionSources said:Sarks never ending 3 and outs never helped.
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Ty had the annual 6 game losing streak
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I completely agree with Mandel's assessment of JL OC/DC hires but we are two weeks away from starting to find out.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, I am fully expecting Kwat to become Sark's first scapegoat.RaceBannon said:
I expect Texas and Sark to still give up 50 to Oklahoma even with Kwat even with Herman playerschuck said:I think the overarching point is correct. It always comes back to the head coach.
You can tell good assistants from really bad ones in most cases though. Wilcox is a good defensive coach. It wasn't hard to see the immediate improvement over Holt.
My guess is that Petersen would have had similarly good defenses at UW with Wilcox as DC as he had with Kawasaki. There's a hell of a lot more to it than scheme. The HC is responsible for the culture, work ethic and all that other gay stuff but he's also ultimately responsible for the personnel. Petersen was a good roster builder. Sark was not.
Sounds like I agree with you
Are you being serious about K being Sark's scapegoat?
I see him and Choate as DL coach turning it around in 1.5 years max. I think they will have growing pains this year but by end of 2022 you will see the turn at the latest.
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2023 should be special
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The defense at UW was good the minute Kwat came on. Defense was a Petersen focal point. Has it ever been a Sark focal point?godawgst said:
I completely agree with Mandel's assessment of JL OC/DC hires but we are two weeks away from starting to find out.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, I am fully expecting Kwat to become Sark's first scapegoat.RaceBannon said:
I expect Texas and Sark to still give up 50 to Oklahoma even with Kwat even with Herman playerschuck said:I think the overarching point is correct. It always comes back to the head coach.
You can tell good assistants from really bad ones in most cases though. Wilcox is a good defensive coach. It wasn't hard to see the immediate improvement over Holt.
My guess is that Petersen would have had similarly good defenses at UW with Wilcox as DC as he had with Kawasaki. There's a hell of a lot more to it than scheme. The HC is responsible for the culture, work ethic and all that other gay stuff but he's also ultimately responsible for the personnel. Petersen was a good roster builder. Sark was not.
Sounds like I agree with you
Are you being serious about K being Sark's scapegoat?
I see him and Choate as DL coach turning it around in 1.5 years max. I think they will have growing pains this year but by end of 2022 you will see the turn at the latest. -
Petersen would have solid to good defenses at UW no matter what. Ed Donnatel would have succeeded as DC with oetersen as head coach.theknowledge said:
The defense at UW was good the minute Kwat came on. Defense was a Petersen focal point. Has it ever been a Sark focal point?godawgst said:
I completely agree with Mandel's assessment of JL OC/DC hires but we are two weeks away from starting to find out.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, I am fully expecting Kwat to become Sark's first scapegoat.RaceBannon said:
I expect Texas and Sark to still give up 50 to Oklahoma even with Kwat even with Herman playerschuck said:I think the overarching point is correct. It always comes back to the head coach.
You can tell good assistants from really bad ones in most cases though. Wilcox is a good defensive coach. It wasn't hard to see the immediate improvement over Holt.
My guess is that Petersen would have had similarly good defenses at UW with Wilcox as DC as he had with Kawasaki. There's a hell of a lot more to it than scheme. The HC is responsible for the culture, work ethic and all that other gay stuff but he's also ultimately responsible for the personnel. Petersen was a good roster builder. Sark was not.
Sounds like I agree with you
Are you being serious about K being Sark's scapegoat?
I see him and Choate as DL coach turning it around in 1.5 years max. I think they will have growing pains this year but by end of 2022 you will see the turn at the latest.
Kwat will disappoint with sark as HC. All of his position coaches will suffer too. -
This is my thought as well. When you run a high octane offense you kinda need to run a high risk defense. Either get your opponent off the field fast or give up a the big play because the chances are your offense will put you right back out there. Kwat will allow 10-12 play drives and hold the opponent to a FG. Sark's offense will either score quickly or go three and out as fast as he can and put K's defense back out on the field. Lather, rinse, repeat. Just like Sarks time at UW this will lead to some lopsided scores going both ways. When everything works they will look like world beaters, when the offense isn't clicking they'll get beat by 30. They might give Oklahoma a great game one week and then get unexpectedly destroyed by TCU or Texas Tech the next. I've got my popcorn ready.chuck said:
Petersen would have solid to good defenses at UW no matter what. Ed Donnatel would have succeeded as DC with oetersen as head coach.theknowledge said:
The defense at UW was good the minute Kwat came on. Defense was a Petersen focal point. Has it ever been a Sark focal point?godawgst said:
I completely agree with Mandel's assessment of JL OC/DC hires but we are two weeks away from starting to find out.bananasnblondes said:
Yeah, I am fully expecting Kwat to become Sark's first scapegoat.RaceBannon said:
I expect Texas and Sark to still give up 50 to Oklahoma even with Kwat even with Herman playerschuck said:I think the overarching point is correct. It always comes back to the head coach.
You can tell good assistants from really bad ones in most cases though. Wilcox is a good defensive coach. It wasn't hard to see the immediate improvement over Holt.
My guess is that Petersen would have had similarly good defenses at UW with Wilcox as DC as he had with Kawasaki. There's a hell of a lot more to it than scheme. The HC is responsible for the culture, work ethic and all that other gay stuff but he's also ultimately responsible for the personnel. Petersen was a good roster builder. Sark was not.
Sounds like I agree with you
Are you being serious about K being Sark's scapegoat?
I see him and Choate as DL coach turning it around in 1.5 years max. I think they will have growing pains this year but by end of 2022 you will see the turn at the latest.
Kwat will disappoint with sark as HC. All of his position coaches will suffer too. -
If sark still runs a team anything like UW/USC sark, the coordinators won’t save him.
The gamble is that sober/Saban Sark has actually changed. Who knows? 🤷♂️ -
I don’t think he has, but I’m not as gung ho about it as I used to. Part of me thinks he’s a good coach and not partying all week before games probably helps a coach actually coach better.Quietcowskee said:If sark still runs a team anything like UW/USC sark, the coordinators won’t save him.
The gamble is that sober/Saban Sark has actually changed. Who knows? 🤷♂️
