Save the Pac?

It is probably unlikely to work, and would require the Pac loosening some long held standards. But it would allow the Pac to build credibility, expand TV markets, and actually restore one element of tradition.
The cornerstone of this plan is TAMU. If you can't get them on board it won't work. But they are pissed at the SEC right now, and facing a world as Texas's little brother again which is exactly why they left the Big 12. If they were ever in play now is the time to strike.
If you can get TAMU on board, you then add Oklahoma State. These are the two automatics to this plan. You then add two of these three depending on what the Pac prioritizes: Nebraska, Texas Tech, TCU.
Nebraska is also famously unhappy with their conference. This reuinites them with their Colorado rivalry and a couple other old Big 8 rivals. TCU gets you the DFW market. Obviously this would require a drastic change in what the Pac looks for in a university. But as I said, it is time for something drastic.
TAMU, OK State, Nebraska, TCU is the ideal 4 as far as TV markets and pure football relevance. If the Pac won't budge to add TCU, or TAMU demands another Texas public school in order to join, drop TCU (or Nebraska) for Tech.
Any of those foursomes gives you a Pac East and a Pac West (the old Pac 8). This restores some tradition while being aggressive in expanding your footprint. Most importantly it doesn't add any G5 schools. You are adding legitimate Power 5 level football programs.
The Arizona and Mountain schools won't love losing the LA market from their division but they get Texas as a reward, and it's far better than losing USC, UCLA completely. In the process you add Houston and Dallas (if you get TCU) as massive major TV markets, plus OK City, Tulsa, Omaha and Lincoln as smaller markets.
This works financially, adds a mix of traditional powers (Nebraska and TAMU), a power booster to compete with Oregons facilities (OSU) and a new football power with some tradition who has done remarkably well reestablishing themselves as legitimate (TCU). I would stay in the Pac for this Pac16. But only for this Pac16.
None of this crap adding Boise or BYU or UNLV or San Diego State is the least bit worthwhile.
Time for Kliavkoff to show some vision and sales ability. Go get TAMU!
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The Pac 16 was and is a great idea if we get the old Pac8 as a division
Its not Texas and OU but it doesn't suck
Fuck the Arizona schools and no one cares about the Pac 12 standards -
Get universities out of the sports busniess. It has turned into a fucking disaster.
Make the NFL & NBA pay for their minor leagues. Fuck the other sports. -
I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference. -
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
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Sweetdnc said:
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
The new Pac 12
North
WSU
OSU
UW
Boise State
BYU
CSU
South
Stanford
ASU
UA
Utah
SDSU
Cal
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Sorry Ducks, B1G won't accept any university with less than $1bn in endowmentdnc said:
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference. -
Lol at the idea that A&M would sync up with the liberal schools on the west coast. As much as they hate UT they aren’t getting in bed with with a conference that in essence blew off their whole season last year. More likely they stay put, then acc, then big 10. Pac12 would be so far down the list of options for them to consider.
That said I expect the pac12 to be mentioned often as everyone’s leverage as they fight to find their place in a new super conference. -
Patience Tommy. Just a few more improvementsTommySQC said:Get universities out of the sports busniess. It has turned into a fucking disaster.
Make the NFL & NBA pay for their minor leagues. Fuck the other sports.
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Do we? remain a Power 5 with that lineup? Automatic playoffs every year for UW.HuskyJW said:
Sweetdnc said:
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
The new Pac 12
North
WSU
OSU
UW
Boise State
BYU
CSU
South
Stanford
ASU
UA
Utah
SDSU
Cal -
BleachedAnusDawg said:
Do we? remain a Power 5 with that lineup? Automatic playoffs every year for UW.HuskyJW said:
Sweetdnc said:
Mike says it's happening but with Colorado instead of UWgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
The new Pac 12
North
WSU
OSU
UW
Boise State
BYU
CSU
South
Stanford
ASU
UA
Utah
SDSU
Cal -
it would be special losing to stanford year in and year out in the p12 (or what the fuck ever the conference would be called) title.HuskyJW said:
Sweet
The new Pac 12
North
WSU
OSU
UW
Boise State
BYU
CSU
South
Stanford
ASU
UA
Utah
SDSU
Cal -
The realignment and the restoration of LA schools along with both NW schools being good at the same time wouldgreenblood said:I’d prefer UW, UO, USC, and UCLA just rush to the Big 10.
Texas A&M, Okie St, Nebraska, and TCU aren’t saving this conference.
Colorado and Nebraska would be revitalized as well. And someday ASU may do more than export STDs
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I don't know what I'm talking about at all when I post the following, and I am not pro-gov't regulation in most instances, but at some point does it make sense for some level of gov't to step in since these are publicly funded universities? Can a conference be considered in violation of antitrust laws? Some of the articles I'm reading are now floating ideas about 32-team "superconferences." This shit is getting absurd.
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Some sort of defection to the Big is the only solution IMO. The shared history of the conferences and extremely close similarities of university profiles makes it an easy choice.
If the SEC adds Texas and Oklahoma, it renders every other league distinctly inferior (even more so) and combined with NIL will further crater recruiting out West.
Adding UT and Oklahoma was the only thing that would ever save the Pac, now that is out the window.
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I have no idea why we need two NFLs
College football as a regional sport where winning your league and getting a New Year's bowl was the tits, was different from pro football and up until Vince Lombardi, far more popular. Even after the rise of the NFL college ball was second, above baseball, the former America's sport.
Its not going back in the bottle so I'll just yell at clouds and watch it die -
Fuck the B1G. Fuck all this realignment.Kingdome_Urinals said:Some sort of defection to the Big is the only solution IMO. The shared history of the conferences and extremely close similarities of university profiles makes it an easy choice.
If the SEC adds Texas and Oklahoma, it renders every other league distinctly inferior (even more so) and combined with NIL will further crater recruiting out West.
Adding UT and Oklahoma was the only thing that would ever save the Pac, now that is out the window.
Rule 1 should be that conferences are required to have contiguous borders. UW having to fly 2,000+ miles for every road game is full retard. -
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I'm close to moving beyond the "yell at clouds" phase. The NFL lovers/ pay the kids bros have already pretty much ruined the game.RaceBannon said:I have no idea why we need two NFLs
College football as a regional sport where winning your league and getting a New Year's bowl was the tits, was different from pro football and up until Vince Lombardi, far more popular. Even after the rise of the NFL college ball was second, above baseball, the former America's sport.
Its not going back in the bottle so I'll just yell at clouds and watch it die
At least, NOC about #MyRowBoat and money can't ruin the sport other than giving out too many schollies to Euro Fags. -
Baylor seems like the most unlikely school in the world to join the Pac outside maybe BYU.RaceBannon said:
If the Pac takes Baylor George has completely reorganized priorities in a very short period of tim. I'd be impressed.
Butt I'm super skeptical.
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No way Baylor joins Pac 12.dnc said:
Baylor seems like the most unlikely school in the world to join the Pac outside maybe BYU.RaceBannon said:
If the Pac takes Baylor George has completely reorganized priorities in a very short period of tim. I'd be impressed.
Butt I'm super skeptical. -
The Pac-12 and leftover Big 12 will talk scenarios, one of which may just be combine their rights
helps cbs imo. -
TAMU isn’t coming. They think that everyone here is a heroin junkie communist that sometimes cheers on their effeminate football team, the anteefas, if they’re not busy with sodomy and ballet. They’re not entirely wrong, but I refuse to listen to a school that couldn’t even build and decent bonfire like some type of slow cavemen.
The age of the super conference is upon us. There is no saving the Pacific Whatever Conference League. Or maybe it’s the opposite, don’t listen to me - I’m usually very wrong on these things.
A chance this kick starts the 16-24 team super league, and the leftovers scramble for tallest midget. A relegation system could create a real Hunger Games type spectacle.
I really thought that Texas and Oklahoma were just doing the hustle again, the one that leads the rest of the conference to spread ‘em and give then whatever they want. They used Orangebloods dot com and Larry Scott last time, it seemed like version II. But maybe it’s for real.
I’ve suggested Oregon and Washington going to the Big Ten for years.
As for saving the Pac... Why? Tradition? History? A chance to be pourer than Mizzou? Fuck that, I know we go all the way back to 1994 and Oregon is a founding member, but I say fuck everyone in the conference. Unless there is no better alternative and no invitation - in which case let’s see what we can do to preserve our shared history and future viability. -
That’s the answer. That way they players won’t be getting ripped off by the universities and they can get market value for their talents.TommySQC said:Get universities out of the sports busniess. It has turned into a fucking disaster.
Make the NFL & NBA pay for their minor leagues. Fuck the other sports. -
We could restore the original Pacific Coast league
Idaho and Montana come on down!
We beat Idaho
University of California, Berkeley (1915–1959)
University of Oregon (1915–1959)
Oregon State College (1915–1959)
University of Washington (1915–1959)
Washington State College (1917–1959)
Stanford University (1918–1959)
University of Idaho (1922–1959)
University of Southern California (1922–1959, suspended in 1924)
University of Montana (1924–1950)
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Rivalries between the Pacific Coast Conference schools grew beyond athletics, with animosities around educational, financial and state rivalries. The tensions between the California and Northwest schools extended to Edwin Pauley, a regent of the University of California, disliking the member universities in the Pacific Northwest enough to advocate that the California institutions leave the Pacific Coast Conference to form a "California Conference."
The PCC had a history of being very strict with regards to its standards; it suspended the University of Southern California from the conference in 1924, performed a critical self-study in 1932, and a voluminous two-million-word report was compiled by Edwin Atherton in 1939. The PCC had a paid commissioner, an elaborate constitution, a formal code of conduct, and a system for reporting student-athlete eligibility. Following the submission of his report, Atherton was promptly hired as commissioner in 1940,[2] and served until his death four years later,[3] He was succeeded by his assistant, Victor O. Schmidt.[4]
The conference was wracked by scandal in 1951. Charges were made and confirmed that University of Oregon football coach Jim Aiken had violated the conference code for financial aid and athletic subsidies. After Aiken was compelled to resign, Oregon urged the PCC to look at similar abuses by UCLA football coach Red Sanders. The conference spent five years attempting to reform itself. In 1956, the scandal became public.
The scandal first broke at Washington, when in January 1956, several discontented players staged a mutiny against their coach, John Cherberg. After the coach was fired, the PCC followed up on charges of a slush fund. The PCC found evidence of the prohibited activities of the Greater Washington Advertising Fund run by Roscoe C. "Torchy" Torrance, and in May imposed sanctions.[5]
In March, allegations of prohibited payments made by two booster clubs associated with UCLA, the Bruin Bench and the Young Men's Club of Westwood, were published in Los Angeles newspapers.[5] UCLA refused for ten weeks to allow PCC officials to proceed in their investigation. Finally, UCLA admitted that, "all members of the football coaching staff had, for several years, known of the unsanctioned payments to student athletes and had cooperated with the booster club members or officers, who actually administered the program by actually referring student athletes to them for such aid." The scandal thickened as a UCLA alumnus and member of the UCLA athletic advisory board blew the whistle on a secret fund for payments in violation of PCC rules to University of Southern California players, known as the Southern California Educational Foundation.[6] This same alumnus also blew the whistle on Cal's phony work program for athletes known as the San Francisco Gridiron Club, with an extension in the Los Angeles area known as the South Seas Fund.[6]
In 1957, the conference fired Vic Schmidt, the commissioner. He had been tasked with cleaning up the conference, and had imposed sanctions on UCLA, including suspending athletes and prohibiting participation in the Rose Bowl for three years.[6]
Soon after the PCC was dissolved, five of its nine members (California, Washington, UCLA, Southern California, and Stanford) created the Athletic Association of Western Universities (AAWU) for the 1959 season. While the AAWU did not negotiate an agreement with the Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association to have a standing contractual invitation to the Rose Bowl Game until the following year, the Tournament of Roses did choose to invite the AAWU's inaugural regular season champion to the first post-PCC Rose Bowl.
After initially being blocked from admission, three of the four remaining schools would eventually join (Washington State in 1962, Oregon and Oregon State in 1964), but members were not required to play other members. Tensions were high between UCLA and Stanford, as Stanford had voted for UCLA's expulsion from the PCC.
Idaho was not involved in the scandals but had become noncompetitive in the PCC. Unlike Washington State, Oregon and Oregon State, Idaho did not pursue AAWU admission, and competed as an independent before becoming a charter member of the Big Sky Conference in 1963. Idaho retains no strong connections to its PCC past, other than a continuing rivalry with neighboring Washington State; the two land grant campuses are just eight miles (13 km) apart in the Palouse region.
The AAWU eventually strengthened its bonds and added members, renaming itself the Pacific-8 Conference (Pac-8) in 1968. By 1971, most Pac-8 schools played round-robin conference football schedules, and the two Oregon schools were again playing USC and UCLA on a regular basis. The conference added WAC powers Arizona and Arizona State in 1978 and became the Pacific-10 Conference (Pac-10). On July 1, 2011, the conference added Colorado from the Big 12 and Utah from the Mountain West (also a former WAC member) and became the Pac-12. The Pac-12 claims the PCC's history as its own, though it operates under a separate charter. -
Players have always been paid. And the Pac has always destroyed those who cheated best to win. Red Sanders won the last natty for UCLA
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It’s time for uw to join the big sky.
In reality. Even though our fanbase doesn’t give a shit any more, when these things happen the size of the tv market seems to be the only thing that matters. Maybe that saves uw somehow. But even if it does the admin still thinks they’re sports educators and is going to be boat raced by the real programs in whatever conference they join.
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In the 80's Seattle was a top TV market for college football. Big ratings both for Husky games and games in general
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We are an Asian academic school now and the admin has wrecked much of the sidewalk alumni that were big fans and season tickets holders. All those types in the region now are either duck or sec fans.RaceBannon said:In the 80's Seattle was a top TV market for college football. Big ratings both for Husky games and games in general
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The Pac 12 isnt going anywhere and Id be surprised if it even expanded