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China’s Strategic Standpoint
DerekJohnson
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Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.
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Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump. -
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
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That's the former StratFor guym, yes?DerekJohnson said: -
Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
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It comes from a number of sources but right now it's petroleum, coal and nuclear based. Buying oil from our enemies just makes them stronger and us weaker. Wind costs more than it produces and generates massive toxic waste. Solar doesn't work at night. Ask Texas.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
Who's setting the rules certainly has an impact on price. When fuel prices rise so does the price of every other item we consume. But when your donors own a zillion tanker rail cars and trucks you cancel the pipeline. -
Both sides would go nuclear before losing. Meaning, both sides lose this one.YellowSnow said:Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.
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Prices and whether we are "energy independent" are 2 different topics. In the early 2000's The US was running out of domestic oil and gas and set to be ever more dependent on imports. Now we are not regardless of what the price says at the pump. If you want to criticize gas prices and the policies which contribute to such, fire away, but it's not due to our being reliant upon importing oil from the M.E. anymore and other foreign producers.Sledog said:
It comes from a number of sources but right now it's petroleum, coal and nuclear based. Buying oil from our enemies just makes them stronger and us weaker. Wind costs more than it produces and generates massive toxic waste. Solar doesn't work at night. Ask Texas.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
Who's setting the rules certainly has an impact on price. When fuel prices rise so does the price of every other item we consume. But when your donors own a zillion tanker rail cars and trucks you cancel the pipeline. -
Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.
Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made.
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Hopefully, fear of the bomb is enough to prevent miscalculation by either side and the that Chinese are smarter and more competent than the Ruskies when it comes to nuke protocols.greenblood said:
Both sides would go nuclear before losing. Meaning, both sides lose this one.YellowSnow said:Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.
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You are trying too hard to ignore that oil and gas requires drilling and federal and state permits. No fracking in New York. They are fracking and making billions in Pennsylvania. The green gaia religionists would ban technological innovation (fracking for example) and new pipelines to get the oil and gas from the middle of nowhere to somewhere. Then tax the sh*t out of what gets produced. Technological innovation can occur under Cho Bai Den. But he and his puppet masters will harm the American private sector and energy consumers.YellowSnow said:
Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.
Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made. -
So canceling leases in Louisiana and put many thousands out of work didn't matter either? Stopping fracking? All have an impact.
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Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it -
This ^ 100%RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Hi @GreenRiverGatorz -
In the real world, the US should hold all the cards. The chicom debt situation is even worse than ours. Trump's tariffs were a good start and you could tell because of the chicom reaction along with bought and paid for dems and some republicans. In 1940 the French actually had more tanks than the Germans - they just spread them out all over rather than using them as the tip of the spearhead like the Germans. The France lost as a result of poor leadership and lack of will. The French General, Gamelin, reminds me of Fow Chee. Pedigreed and massively incompetent.
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I'm not trying too hard to ignore anything. Of course a GOP Administration is going to be more friendly to oil and gas production than a Democratic one. But the fact remains that the biggest and most rapid increase in US oil production occurred in spite of a Democratic administration. When Obama got into office, US production was 5.0 million per day. By 2015 it was 9.4 million per day.WestlinnDuck said:
You are trying too hard to ignore that oil and gas requires drilling and federal and state permits. No fracking in New York. They are fracking and making billions in Pennsylvania. The green gaia religionists would ban technological innovation (fracking for example) and new pipelines to get the oil and gas from the middle of nowhere to somewhere. Then tax the sh*t out of what gets produced. Technological innovation can occur under Cho Bai Den. But he and his puppet masters will harm the American private sector and energy consumers.YellowSnow said:
Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.
Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/01/15/president-obamas-petroleum-legacy/?sh=5a45b155c10f
The Donkeys can blabber on all they want about climate. It didn't prevent the oil and gas from getting out of the ground in such copious amounts as to make the US energy independent again. In other words, Obama didn't build that, rather it just happened. -
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it -
Keep following the narrativeYellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Whatever gets you through the night
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They are also dependent on us to be consumers, at least for the time being.YellowSnow said:Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.
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correctGrundleStiltzkin said:
That's the former StratFor guym, yes?DerekJohnson said: -
Considering where we are now, that part of the book is DEPRESSINGGrundleStiltzkin said:
Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.YellowSnow said:
I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.Sledog said:Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.
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Words matter. I didn't call it a "coup", nor did I call it an "insurrection". It was a "riot" and a national disgrace, plain and simple.RaceBannon said:
Keep following the narrativeYellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Whatever gets you through the night
Enjoy Biden -
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it -
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it -
Exactly. And don't tell me that the dem party encouragement of the rioting and excuse making along with dem DA's dismissing rioting charges out of hand didn't encourage a response. Unlike leftards which feel entitled to riot as part of a legitimate protest but then require political opponents to play by Marquis of Queensbury rules, I'm not a believer in asymmetric warfare. My VERY STRONG preference is that there should be no rioting, no blocking of streets and highways, and no protesting that isn't permitted and occurs at some decent time. In Portland, the rioting was occurring deep into the night when the streets should be quiet and people asleep in their beds. That is not the VERY STRONG preference from the left.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it -
The Capitol was bombed in 1983. Somehow the Republic survived. Nationwide rioting that was allowed to continue for months all across the country showed far greater weakness than a riot that was put down that very same day.YellowSnow said:
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
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The antifa bros and BLM folks weren't carrying Biden flags and hats coming directly from a Biden rally, egged on by Biden to go loot Target for justice.SFGbob said:
The Capitol was bombed in 1983. Somehow the Republic survived. Nationwide rioting that was allowed to continue for months all across the country showed far greater weakness than a riot that was put down that very same day.YellowSnow said:
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
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You're right, the DNC and every Rat mayor and many Rat Govs were carrying BLM flags as the burned and looted their cities.YellowSnow said:
The antifa bros and BLM folks weren't carrying Biden flags and hats coming directly from a Biden rally, egged on by Biden to go loot Target for justice.SFGbob said:
The Capitol was bombed in 1983. Somehow the Republic survived. Nationwide rioting that was allowed to continue for months all across the country showed far greater weakness than a riot that was put down that very same day.YellowSnow said:
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Bill de Blasio paints Black Lives Matter street mural outside Trump Tower
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De Blassio is a piece of shit. What you want me to tell you?SFGbob said:
You're right, the DNC and every Rat mayor and many Rat Govs were carrying BLM flags as the burned and looted their cities.YellowSnow said:
The antifa bros and BLM folks weren't carrying Biden flags and hats coming directly from a Biden rally, egged on by Biden to go loot Target for justice.SFGbob said:
The Capitol was bombed in 1983. Somehow the Republic survived. Nationwide rioting that was allowed to continue for months all across the country showed far greater weakness than a riot that was put down that very same day.YellowSnow said:
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Bill de Blasio paints Black Lives Matter street mural outside Trump Tower
I don't see the logic in defending or downplaying the national disgrace of Jan 6th and/or trying to draw false equivalencies.
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Not defending it. Just disagreeing with you. And it wasn't just de Blasio, Mayors all over the country were sucking up to the very same people who were burning and looting their cities. Now that's weakness. Jan 6th was a bad look, but it was put down in a few hours. Looting and burning of our cites went on all summer long and most of the people who did it were never even arrested let alone prosecuted.YellowSnow said:
De Blassio is a piece of shit. What you want me to tell you?SFGbob said:
You're right, the DNC and every Rat mayor and many Rat Govs were carrying BLM flags as the burned and looted their cities.YellowSnow said:
The antifa bros and BLM folks weren't carrying Biden flags and hats coming directly from a Biden rally, egged on by Biden to go loot Target for justice.SFGbob said:
The Capitol was bombed in 1983. Somehow the Republic survived. Nationwide rioting that was allowed to continue for months all across the country showed far greater weakness than a riot that was put down that very same day.YellowSnow said:
There is no equivalence in the symbolism between the two. There's no justification for 2020 riots and looting. But they've happened before and probably will again sadly. We've never had the mob party in the Capital. This was a new low for America.SFGbob said:
Something tells me a summer long burning and looting in everyone of our major cities had a greater impact on how people viewed our strength rather few hours long riot that that was quickly put down.YellowSnow said:
MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.RaceBannon said:Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election
It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it
Bill de Blasio paints Black Lives Matter street mural outside Trump Tower
I don't see the logic in defending or downplaying the national disgrace of Jan 6th and/or trying to draw false equivalencies.
