China’s Strategic Standpoint

DerekJohnson

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/chinas-strategic-standpoint/

YellowSnow

Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.

Sledog

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

YellowSnow

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

GrundleStiltzkin

DerekJohnson said:

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/chinas-strategic-standpoint/

That's the former StratFor guym, yes?

GrundleStiltzkin

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.

Sledog

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

It comes from a number of sources but right now it's petroleum, coal and nuclear based. Buying oil from our enemies just makes them stronger and us weaker. Wind costs more than it produces and generates massive toxic waste. Solar doesn't work at night. Ask Texas.

Who's setting the rules certainly has an impact on price. When fuel prices rise so does the price of every other item we consume. But when your donors own a zillion tanker rail cars and trucks you cancel the pipeline.

greenblood

YellowSnow said:

Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.

Both sides would go nuclear before losing. Meaning, both sides lose this one.

YellowSnow

Sledog said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

It comes from a number of sources but right now it's petroleum, coal and nuclear based. Buying oil from our enemies just makes them stronger and us weaker. Wind costs more than it produces and generates massive toxic waste. Solar doesn't work at night. Ask Texas.

Who's setting the rules certainly has an impact on price. When fuel prices rise so does the price of every other item we consume. But when your donors own a zillion tanker rail cars and trucks you cancel the pipeline.

Prices and whether we are "energy independent" are 2 different topics. In the early 2000's The US was running out of domestic oil and gas and set to be ever more dependent on imports. Now we are not regardless of what the price says at the pump. If you want to criticize gas prices and the policies which contribute to such, fire away, but it's not due to our being reliant upon importing oil from the M.E. anymore and other foreign producers.

YellowSnow

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.

Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.

But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.

Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made.

YellowSnow

greenblood said:

YellowSnow said:

Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.

Both sides would go nuclear before losing. Meaning, both sides lose this one.

Hopefully, fear of the bomb is enough to prevent miscalculation by either side and the that Chinese are smarter and more competent than the Ruskies when it comes to nuke protocols.

WestlinnDuck

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.

Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.

But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.

Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made.

You are trying too hard to ignore that oil and gas requires drilling and federal and state permits. No fracking in New York. They are fracking and making billions in Pennsylvania. The green gaia religionists would ban technological innovation (fracking for example) and new pipelines to get the oil and gas from the middle of nowhere to somewhere. Then tax the sh*t out of what gets produced. Technological innovation can occur under Cho Bai Den. But he and his puppet masters will harm the American private sector and energy consumers.

Sledog

So canceling leases in Louisiana and put many thousands out of work didn't matter either? Stopping fracking? All have an impact.

RaceBannon

Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election

It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it

hardhat

RaceBannon said:

Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election

It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it

This ^ 100%
Hi @GreenRiverGatorz

WestlinnDuck

In the real world, the US should hold all the cards. The chicom debt situation is even worse than ours. Trump's tariffs were a good start and you could tell because of the chicom reaction along with bought and paid for dems and some republicans. In 1940 the French actually had more tanks than the Germans - they just spread them out all over rather than using them as the tip of the spearhead like the Germans. The France lost as a result of poor leadership and lack of will. The French General, Gamelin, reminds me of Fow Chee. Pedigreed and massively incompetent.

YellowSnow

WestlinnDuck said:

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

YellowSnow said:

Sledog said:

Energy independence is now gone. Check the price at the pump.

I suggest you join @GrundleStiltzkin 's new book club. Energy independence comes from technological innovation. Not whether Bush, Obama, Trump or Biden is president.

Wait til you get to the Dakota Access/Keystone XL chapter. Federal policy matters.

Of course it matters. Transporting oil via rail is beyond FS.

But the technological innovation which made us become energy independent happens regardless of who is President.

Humans are some smart monkeys, especially when they're in America and there is a buck to be made.

You are trying too hard to ignore that oil and gas requires drilling and federal and state permits. No fracking in New York. They are fracking and making billions in Pennsylvania. The green gaia religionists would ban technological innovation (fracking for example) and new pipelines to get the oil and gas from the middle of nowhere to somewhere. Then tax the sh*t out of what gets produced. Technological innovation can occur under Cho Bai Den. But he and his puppet masters will harm the American private sector and energy consumers.

I'm not trying too hard to ignore anything. Of course a GOP Administration is going to be more friendly to oil and gas production than a Democratic one. But the fact remains that the biggest and most rapid increase in US oil production occurred in spite of a Democratic administration. When Obama got into office, US production was 5.0 million per day. By 2015 it was 9.4 million per day.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2016/01/15/president-obamas-petroleum-legacy/?sh=5a45b155c10f

The Donkeys can blabber on all they want about climate. It didn't prevent the oil and gas from getting out of the ground in such copious amounts as to make the US energy independent again. In other words, Obama didn't build that, rather it just happened.

YellowSnow

RaceBannon said:

Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election

It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it

MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.

RaceBannon

YellowSnow said:

RaceBannon said:

Lot of people trying too hard to deny we fucked the dog this election

It matters. Biden is weak and China knows it even if you don't want to admit it

MAGA riots on Capital Hill are a great way to portray strength to the land of China.

Keep following the narrative

Whatever gets you through the night

Enjoy Biden

DerekJohnson

YellowSnow said:

Good piece Stalin. As much concern as we must have over China's "rise", it is important to remember that we can still hurt them worse than they can us if it ever came to a shooting war. The US is energy independent. China is not. We've seen that movie before in the Orient.

They are also dependent on us to be consumers, at least for the time being.

DerekJohnson

GrundleStiltzkin said:

DerekJohnson said:

https://geopoliticalfutures.com/chinas-strategic-standpoint/

That's the former StratFor guym, yes?

correct