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Vorel to Jen Cohen: "Is UW men’s basketball coach Mike Hopkins’ job in jeopardy?"
DerekJohnson
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“Absolutely not. I believe in Mike. I’m supportive of Mike. I’m excited to be his partner and figure out how we’re going to reevaluate things after this year. We’re looking to still move forward with the basketball (facility) project. Sometimes these things are cyclical. Sometimes they’re really frustrating. There’s nobody that’s more upset with losing and where this program is right now than Mike Hopkins and me. So I’m confident that we’re going to come up with a plan at the end of the year and we’re going to get headed back in the right direction.”
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Ah, the dreaded vote of confidence.
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Broom him. Now.
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I hope she goes down with him.
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DawgsenseBleachedAnusDawg said:I hope she goes down with him.
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BleachedAnusDawg said:
I'm guessing
hopeshe goes downwithon him. -
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I know my statement was mean but none of this is making any sense... she extends him so his buyout is out of reach and now she has cash flow problems that she cant solve.
And when she had the chance to lay down some requirements regarding increasing the football program status via power hiring moves to make up for losing CP as a draw, she let the new coach hang himself regarding the replacement coaches instead of stepping up and insisting that game changing coaches would be hired and it has snow balled from there.
Putting it bluntly, we have now lost the three main reasons that kids wanted to come to UW [CP as HC, coach K with the defense, and Lake as the DB coach that will get your to the League] and as this has evolved it was her responsibility to make sure that additional firepower was hired and in operation to either prevent or offset the losses.
We are talking about a GM that obviously has no power within the institution, no foresight to anticipate outcomes and no guts to step up when it's required ~ so we are now watching over the death of the positive momentum that was previously built.
Now both previous positive cash flow producing programs are in the tank and its her fault ~ as the GM its her responsibility to watch over the cash flow potential of the revenue sports and she has utterly failed. -
Best case scenario is that Wynn gets fired ... no chance Hop does this year
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We can't, or are choosing not to (not sure which is worse), pay for what will soon be a $3m buyout. That's chump change to cleanse yourself of a coach who is so clearly and without a doubt out of his depth. There is literally no outcome here where Hopkins somehow ascends to meet Jen's purported "high expectations".
If cost is such an issue then just cut Mike now and pay a measly $1m to the dad of the next one-and-done 5 star to be our head coach for one year. Better odds with that than sticking with a proven loser. -
Nobody besides you gives a shit about Wynn.Tequilla said:Best case scenario is that Wynn gets fired ... no chance Hop does this year
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Eh oh El. One of the btwd guys on Twitter: "All Olympic sports going on at the same time this is LIT!!!!!"RoadDawg55 said:
Nobody besides you gives a shit about Wynn.
We won a national championship in softball when I was there. My only reaction was that the hottest player on the team had classes w me. -
Covid financial woes still might save him
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The standard response for administrators to state when their revenue producing sports are complete crap and are sliding into a black hole is to state exactly what Jen just said.... the following is redacted to isolate the primary I’m a loser message:
“One, we’re doing what we were always supposed to be doing, which is serving our students. We want to win at everything and we’re so competitive, but at the end of the day the athletic department exists to develop students, and we’re doing a hell of a job at that.
“We’ve kept all of our sports. We have a model to allow for all of our sports to train. We have student-athletes that achieved unbelievable academic success in the fall. So as hard as it’s been to not be able to be with the kids or be with fans, every time I talk to a student-athlete I’m reminded that we’re doing what we’re supposed to be doing, which is serving them.”
The other message that you hear is how well all of the teams are doing all the way down to the pride and joy of intermural sports
Not exactly the message that resonates with top teams in the country... imagine hearing this feel good narrative at Ohio state or Alabama, but this is exactly the narrative that academically oriented loser major sports AD’s resort to while they watch their program go pathetically to pieces -
Somebody needs to go James Caan on Jen and get her away from the woke crowd
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With that said, there is a significant % of Husky Nation that has bought into that; most of them can be found on Kim's board.DawgsCanDance said:The standard response for administrators to state when their revenue producing sports are complete crap and are sliding into a black hole is to state exactly what Jen just said.... the following is redacted to isolate the primary I’m a loser message:
“One, we’re doing what we were always supposed to be doing, which is serving our students. We want to win at everything and we’re so competitive, but at the end of the day the athletic department exists to develop students, and we’re doing a hell of a job at that.
“We’ve kept all of our sports. We have a model to allow for all of our sports to train. We have student-athletes that achieved unbelievable academic success in the fall. So as hard as it’s been to not be able to be with the kids or be with fans, every time I talk to a student-athlete I’m reminded that we’re doing what we’re supposed to be doing, which is serving them.”
The other message that you hear is how well all of the teams are doing all the way down to the pride and joy of intermural sports
Not exactly the message that resonates with top teams in the country... imagine hearing this feel good narrative at Ohio state or Alabama, but this is exactly the narrative that academically oriented loser major sports AD’s resort to while they watch their program go pathetically to pieces -
I thought Hopkins' buyout was $11 million?
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UW basketball is deader than this forum.
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Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.DerekJohnson said:“Absolutely not. I believe in Mike. I’m supportive of Mike. I’m excited to be his partner and figure out how we’re going to reevaluate things after this year. We’re looking to still move forward with the basketball (facility) project. Sometimes these things are cyclical. Sometimes they’re really frustrating. There’s nobody that’s more upset with losing and where this program is right now than Mike Hopkins and me. So I’m confident that we’re going to come up with a plan at the end of the year and we’re going to get headed back in the right direction.”
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track. -
Pretty sure this is an educk copy pasta from the late Kent yearsBroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track. -
Hopkins could be an elite level coach and this team wouldn't be .500. The talent level is atrocious and will be next year as well. He is a mediocre coach and has been a poor recruiter last two years as well.BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track.
An AD worth a damn would realize this and be able to foresee another bottom feeder next year as well and cut ties immediately after season. There is no sugar coating this, Mike Hopkins has neutered this program and no school halfway serious about basketball would let him stick around past this year -
Hop is a little Romaresque in the sense that he'll have teams with INCREDIBLE talent (Murray and Chriss or the team with Fultz on it) and won't even sniff the tourney. Last years team had two first rounders on it and we were terrible.BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track.
Both Romar and Hop can't put an offense together to save their lives. I didn't think things could get anywhere as bad in terms of offensive basketball than during the last throes of the Romar era, with shitheads like Andrew Andrews on the court, but somehow we're at that level. Stevenson is the only competent offensive player on the floor and everyone else is just playing rec-league, 1-on-1 bullshit basketball.
If your players can't run a motion offense then you have to put in an offense that runs a more prescribed formula for how/where players get shots. Go watch Michigan State if you want to see an efficient offense. It's screen-and-curl, pick-and-pop basketball where they don't take shots early in the shot clock, and if you do something stupid, Izzo is going to yank you and chew you out. -
How many threads does it take to say that some piece of shit b ball coach needs to be fired yesterday
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The icing on the cake is we draw WSU with their starting pg (forget his name but I don't follow mountain west so whatever) and we lose 1/3 to them and get bounced.
Jenn going around parroting her bullshit only lasts as long as people can't smell the dead body in the basement, and that is UW Men's BBall in a major market with no NBA Team (lol).
I get the jokes with our president but I think even she will congregate with the UW women's studies tenured professors and find it inevitable to at least fire him and put Jenn on the clock after the last 2 seasons.
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BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track.
Wait so if they get a transfer big and Hop’s one recruit is good they might finish middle of the conference if everything breaks right but still miss the tournament?BroadcastingDawg said:
Unpopular opinion. And I'm ready for the fuck offs or whatever they are. But I really like Hop.
Lets be clear. They stunk. Clear lack of belief, production and cohesiveness on the court. It's Hop's job to raise mentality of these guys and it's clear they lacked a lot in this department.
That said, it was pretty much all these players first time playing together on a court. Must be tough to jump straight into your first games of the season against Colorado who seems like they've had the same roster since 2010 and Baylor, who was undefeated until last week, when none of your rotations have played a real basketball game together. The early stretch of games was not what they needed and set the tone for what was a season full of growing pains.
Remember, the teams that featured Crisp, Dickerson, Thybulle, Greene were freaking horrific until their junior and senior years.
I think Tsohonis, Bey, Stevenson, Battle, Bajema, Brooks is a solid little group who could take a big leap forward confidence wise as a unit next season.
They're gonna need to get a transfer big man to come in because Roberts and Sorn can't be it. Jackson Grant should come in a provide immediate offense in the post which is something they desperately missed.
They played much better basketball in the 2nd half of the season... won a few games and lost a couple games close against teams they had no business being competitive with.
They may not challenge for a NCAA tournament, but I expect them to be somewhere middle of the PAC and I think Hop can get this thing back on track.
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I think anyone was kidding themselves thinking that a coach going through his first run with a program wouldn't have ups and downs. Short of hiring Mark Few, who do you think we can bring in here that's going to make this program a perennial tourney contender? I don't see it.FremontTroll said:
Wait so if they get a transfer big and Hop’s one recruit is good they might finish middle of the conference if everything breaks right but still miss the tournament?
And that’s your pitch for keeping Hop?
A lot of Husky fans were hoping the program would hire Archie Miller from Dayton a few years back... Indiana is 12-13 and near the bottom of their conference... he's on the verge of getting canned after mostly middling seasons since he's been hired. Same thing w. Shaka Smart... a lot of fans wanted him here, and even with elite talent pumping in every year at Texas... they've largely been just above mediocre. He's in year 6 at Texas, and to his credit, they're having the best year they've had under him... but he had an 11-22 season where the team finished 4-12 in conference in 2016-17.
I think Hop should get one more year to see if the team makes a turn in a positive direction... and it seems that's what he's going to get. -
Christ, Cuog just hired a dude from bumfuck USF and is starting a lineup entirely of freshmen and sophs and is in every game down to the wire. And nobody is complaining about the future of that program because it's looking pretty damned good.BroadcastingDawg said:
I think anyone was kidding themselves thinking that a coach going through his first run with a program wouldn't have ups and downs. Short of hiring Mark Few, who do you think we can bring in here that's going to make this program a perennial tourney contender? I don't see it.
A lot of Husky fans were hoping the program would hire Archie Miller from Dayton a few years back... Indiana is 12-13 and near the bottom of their conference... he's on the verge of getting canned after mostly middling seasons since he's been hired. Same thing w. Shaka Smart... a lot of fans wanted him here, and even with elite talent pumping in every year at Texas... they've largely been just above mediocre. He's in year 6 at Texas, and to his credit, they're having the best year they've had under him... but he had an 11-22 season where the team finished 4-12 in conference in 2016-17.
I think Hop should get one more year to see if the team makes a turn in a positive direction... and it seems that's what he's going to get.
And you have the audacity to ask "Who do you think we can bring in?"
There are HUNDREDS of coaches out there. But somehow there's NOBODY who can do the job? Bullshit.
Broom that fucker and bring in the next attempt at a program builder. He's worthless - and take Cameron Dollar and Will Conroy the fuck out of here too. Nobody brings in TWO assistants from the guy who just got fired. That is fuckingly stupid.
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All of them.RaceBannon said:How many threads does it take to say that some piece of shit b ball coach needs to be fired yesterday
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Yes, most coaches fail. Hence why it is important to cut bait as soon as you know the current coach isn’t getting it done so you can maximize the number of times you get to “roll the dice” on a new hire and hope to hit the point.BroadcastingDawg said:
I think anyone was kidding themselves thinking that a coach going through his first run with a program wouldn't have ups and downs. Short of hiring Mark Few, who do you think we can bring in here that's going to make this program a perennial tourney contender? I don't see it.
A lot of Husky fans were hoping the program would hire Archie Miller from Dayton a few years back... Indiana is 12-13 and near the bottom of their conference... he's on the verge of getting canned after mostly middling seasons since he's been hired. Same thing w. Shaka Smart... a lot of fans wanted him here, and even with elite talent pumping in every year at Texas... they've largely been just above mediocre. He's in year 6 at Texas, and to his credit, they're having the best year they've had under him... but he had an 11-22 season where the team finished 4-12 in conference in 2016-17.
I think Hop should get one more year to see if the team makes a turn in a positive direction... and it seems that's what he's going to get.
Hop clearly is gonna get another year because we are not cutthroat like we need to be.
But the thing is you aren’t even forecasting a turnaround even if everything breaks right (and everything never goes right.) Middle of the conference isn’t acceptable. If that’s the ceiling we need to move on now. -
This sounds like something Fetters would sayBroadcastingDawg said:
I think anyone was kidding themselves thinking that a coach going through his first run with a program wouldn't have ups and downs. Short of hiring Mark Few, who do you think we can bring in here that's going to make this program a perennial tourney contender? I don't see it.
A lot of Husky fans were hoping the program would hire Archie Miller from Dayton a few years back... Indiana is 12-13 and near the bottom of their conference... he's on the verge of getting canned after mostly middling seasons since he's been hired. Same thing w. Shaka Smart... a lot of fans wanted him here, and even with elite talent pumping in every year at Texas... they've largely been just above mediocre. He's in year 6 at Texas, and to his credit, they're having the best year they've had under him... but he had an 11-22 season where the team finished 4-12 in conference in 2016-17.
I think Hop should get one more year to see if the team makes a turn in a positive direction... and it seems that's what he's going to get. -
Stealing the Cuog coach worked before. It was pretty Harsh man but worth itPurpleThrobber said:
Christ, Cuog just hired a dude from bumfuck USF and is starting a lineup entirely of freshmen and sophs and is in every game down to the wire. And nobody is complaining about the future of that program because it's looking pretty damned good.
And you have the audacity to ask "Who do you think we can bring in?"
There are HUNDREDS of coaches out there. But somehow there's NOBODY who can do the job? Bullshit.
Broom that fucker and bring in the next attempt at a program builder. He's worthless - and take Cameron Dollar and Will Conroy the fuck out of here too. Nobody brings in TWO assistants from the guy who just got fired. That is fuckingly stupid.
And USF has two more natties than UW
