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Promote Gregory to DC?

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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Tequilla said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    1to392831weretaken said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Tequilla said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    insinceredawg said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Tequilla said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    Hot take. Gregory is going to be pretty much identical to Coach K as DC. If you liked Coach K, you should be okay with this move. It takes Gregory off the recruiting trail somewhat, which is a positive. I will accept debates about hiring a QC guy as DL coach, but that has worked out pretty good for Cato. I'm in LIPO mode.

    And what evidence is there that Cato's worth a damn other than he finishes in the Top 3 often?
    Other than the fact that we have one of the best TE rooms in the country? Give Paopao some credit, but give Cato credit too.
    Best TE room? We have Cade for one more year and a bunch of unproven guys. The only big recruiting win Cato's gotten turned out to be a methhead.
    He's landed Quentin Moore, Chance Bogan, kept Cade for another year, has shown promise and effort on the recruiting trail, and can clearly coach. I'd give him a solid grade for the 9 months he's been TE coach.
    Cade stayed because he didn't have enough film on him to get a high enough pick this year to make it worth the while ... coming back and he'll very likely be an easy Top 2 round guy. It makes sense.

    Moore was a local kid that while I am optimistic on it being a good get we need to be realistic at what we're doing here. Moore is hopefully a high end guy that is getting brought in to fill gaps in recruiting that effectively didn't pan out for a few years. He wasn't the highest TE on the board last year for us and we missed on the higher targets.

    Bogan looks like he's a nice prospect and I look forward to seeing his development. Keeping local players home is a sign of competence vs being a disaster. For me to view a coach as being pretty good or better, you need to start winning recruiting battles against programs that are above your weight class and/or kids from out of the area that you're competing against at least relatively peer schools. Scott Huff is worth a damn. Cato ain't even close to that level at this point.
    If you would have been pissed if Moore and Bogan went elsewhere, which you surely would have, you have to give Cato credit for getting them. And I know its meaningless, but being in a battle vs. Georgia for Bowers is promising. And he did get Yary, despite the issues. Yes, he hasn't proven to be a great coach yet, but I'm saying he's laying a pretty good foundation for a guy that has been on the job for only 9 months. I see promise.
    I'm mostly on your side on this one (I mean, tight end coach may be the least important thing if football, so who really gives a fuck anyway) in that I have no problem with Cato and think he seems to be doing a decent job. That being said, he didn't get Yary. USC got Yary, realized he's a crackhead, booted him, and then Cato picked up the sloppy seconds. Yary is a negative mark on Cato's record to me. Should have stayed away from those damaged goods.
    Fair, but it does show a willingness to go after some bad dudes. Haven't we been crying for bad dudes for years? Jimmy must have given the green light to go after Yary.
    If Yary’s issues were well known (and it sounds like they were) then he shouldn’t have been brought in

    This “we need bad dudes” narrative is fucking idiotic
    Meth and heroine aren’t THAT addictive...
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,720 Founders Club
    I care less about this than the JonDon shit.

    That was an obviously questionable hire, and then they made him the highest paid assistant.

    Gregory it's clear the other coaches think he's good at development/xs and os. 2019 he was awful, but he's turned a midget skateboarder into an all american and he found his guy in eddie. McDonald it sounded like was going to overtake Sirmon in a full season.

    And the coordinator has the least burden to recruit.

    The two db coaches and their production and Malloe taking a year off are more unsettling.

    Even huff, for his recruiting, should have his unit road grading more than they are.
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  • NeverLosetoWSU
    NeverLosetoWSU Member Posts: 2
    Why are you guys arguing about a TE coach, we have more pressing matters. So Gregory is going to be calling defensive plays? That Michigan game is going to be the biggest overreaction no matter what happens. People are going to be calling for his head/talking shit about how genius James Oceans is. Can't wait. See you fuckers at the Big House
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  • Kingdome_Urinals
    Kingdome_Urinals Member Posts: 2,793
    What a loser Lake is. He's gone from thinking Kellen Moore would be his OC to hiring JonDon, losing EE, Emeka, and Troy, to losing Kwat, and now promoting Gregory.

    Has any HC had a shittier off the field year? Seriously. From what was on the table a year ago to this shit pile...

    Elite players don't want to play for him, and good coaches don't want to coach for him.
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  • haie
    haie Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 23,720 Founders Club
    edited February 2021
    Kingdome_Urinals said:

    What a loser Lake is. He's gone from thinking Kellen Moore would be his OC to hiring JonDon, losing EE, Emeka, and Troy, to losing Kwat, and now promoting Gregory.

    Has any HC had a shittier off the field year? Seriously. From what was on the table a year ago to this shit pile...

    Elite players don't want to play for him, and good coaches don't want to coach for him.

    Lake wanted Moore? You sure that wasn't Pete trying to "help" and "counsel" UW after that embarrassment of a season?

    Since 2013: our offense got softer. Our recruiting targets got more finesse. Our OC got more subservient/shittier.

    Lake took a blow torch to that immediately after the Vegas bowl.
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  • RealRhino
    RealRhino Member Posts: 615
    FWIW (nothing, I know), I'm with Big Ern. We at least looked okay this past year (?). We won the North. We finished with the best record. I'm not going to act like it's the crystal football or anything, but it's half decent. I'm very pessimistic about JonDon bc even if you accept he wanted to protect Morris by running the ball, our run schemes were fucking stupid, as in "I haven't really read up on anything new relating to offensive football in 15 years" stupid. Like thinking Leonard Fournette is a good feature back in today's football stupid. You can run the ball w/o getting into jumbo/tight formations. In fact, if you've followed, you know, football, in the past 5 years, you'd know you can generally run the ball *better* that way.

    And spare me the myopic provincialism. We're the only one who knows who Otton is pretty much, and Puka caught all of 9 passes. Both look promising but have barely done shit. Let's see a year's production before we start blowing each other, ok?

    Back to the optimism. We looked okay even with a guy at QB whose ceiling is decent college QB. Our OL returns, our DL returns, our back end returns. Fuck Cato, I want to see Adams do, oh I don't know, one fucking thing right. Land somebody and then get them to perform. We do that, we should be okay next year. End of the day, our defense probably stays the same and our recruiting probably got better (assuming Rowan is young and fiery).
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  • CallMeBigErn
    CallMeBigErn Member Posts: 8,028
    DerekJohnson said:

    insinceredawg said:

    hardhat said:

    100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.
    Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?

    When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.

    But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist.
    How many coaches AREN'T bullshit artists? Chris P, maybe.

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  • DerekJohnson
    DerekJohnson Administrator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 68,374 Founders Club
    CallMeBigErn said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    insinceredawg said:

    hardhat said:

    100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.
    Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?

    When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.

    But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist.
    How many coaches AREN'T bullshit artists? Chris P, maybe.

    You're making excuses
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    CallMeBigErn said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    insinceredawg said:

    hardhat said:

    100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.
    Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?

    When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.

    But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist.
    How many coaches AREN'T bullshit artists? Chris P, maybe.

    And most coaches fail
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  • godawgst
    godawgst Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 2,554 Swaye's Wigwam
    dnc said:

    CallMeBigErn said:

    dnc said:

    Not only did we promote the shit LB coach to DC, we promoted the "defensive quality control" guy to DL coach.

    No creativity. No effort. NOGAF.

    Cato has looked like a pretty damn good internal promotion from quality control. LIPO.
    He looks okay though I'd say the jury is still out.

    Jimmy has made four staff hires since he's been HC (and multiple moves within the staff.

    Jon Donovan
    Terrence Brown
    Two internal quality control coaches

    That could not be a more depressing list.
    If there was a trial between the group for and against Jimmy Lake and how things are going, All the defense has to stand up and present is these 4 names and case closed.

    I get Lake's rolodex is limited but UW is still a have program in the P5.

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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    CallMeBigErn said:

    DerekJohnson said:

    insinceredawg said:

    hardhat said:

    100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.
    Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?

    When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.

    But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist.
    How many coaches AREN'T bullshit artists? Chris P, maybe.

    Turns out he was plain bullshit. No art
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  • FireCohen
    FireCohen Member Posts: 21,823
    insinceredawg said:

    https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-softy-and-dick-25095845/episode/softy-and-dick-h3-jimmy-77024995/

    Jimmy was on Softy's show last night and spit out even more bullshit about BG
    -When asked what BG's best quality was, he hesitated and then threw out this gem - "His best quality is his ability to connect with his players"
    -When asked about some established players he's recruited he came up with BBK and......DJ Beavers, who played maybe 20 games in his UW career
    -Claims all the former players love BG and that guys like Shaq even come back to Seattle just to visit him. As of right now, no former or current player has tweeted anything resembling an endorsement of Gregory

    The biggest concern I have is his rationale for keeping the changes internal. He says he doesn't want to bring in an outside who will throw their defensive scheme in the garbage and start from scratch. Fuck off, no one was asking for that. But it's possible to bring someone in with a fresh perspective who can iterate and improve on what's already here. Jimmy is just too fucking arrogant to accept help and despite what PK said in his interviews, I'm certain Jimmy's ego played a part in his decision to leave.

    I'm officially team #FireJimmy

    No no no... @FireCohen her fault that guy is the HC
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  • RoadDawg55
    RoadDawg55 Member Posts: 30,129
    edited February 2021
    insinceredawg said:

    https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-softy-and-dick-25095845/episode/softy-and-dick-h3-jimmy-77024995/

    Jimmy was on Softy's show last night and spit out even more bullshit about BG
    -When asked what BG's best quality was, he hesitated and then threw out this gem - "His best quality is his ability to connect with his players"
    -When asked about some established players he's recruited he came up with BBK and......DJ Beavers, who played maybe 20 games in his UW career
    -Claims all the former players love BG and that guys like Shaq even come back to Seattle just to visit him. As of right now, no former or current player has tweeted anything resembling an endorsement of Gregory

    The biggest concern I have is his rationale for keeping the changes internal. He says he doesn't want to bring in an outside who will throw their defensive scheme in the garbage and start from scratch. Fuck off, no one was asking for that. But it's possible to bring someone in with a fresh perspective who can iterate and improve on what's already here. Jimmy is just too fucking arrogant to accept help and despite what PK said in his interviews, I'm certain Jimmy's ego played a part in his decision to leave.

    I'm officially team #FireJimmy

    Not sure why you’re so confident players don’t like Gregory. Focus on the coaching and actual results. There are valid criticisms there. Focusing on whether former players are tweeting about Gregory is FS. I don’t think Lake is making it up that former players like him.
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  • PostGameOrangeSlices
    PostGameOrangeSlices Member Posts: 27,196
    DerekJohnson said:

    insinceredawg said:

    hardhat said:

    100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.
    Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?
    Never let a good crisis global pandemic go to waste
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  • doogville
    doogville Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 1,229 Swaye's Wigwam
    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    I guess Sam likes to hand the ball off #doomed
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  • LB_33
    LB_33 Member Posts: 324
    doogville said:

    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    I guess Sam likes to hand the ball off #doomed
    Lets be honest. There's like an 85% chance JonDon turns Sam in to a wildcat quarterback. In fact, he kinda has an Eric Crouch look to him
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,870 Founders Club
    LB_33 said:

    doogville said:

    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    I guess Sam likes to hand the ball off #doomed
    Lets be honest. There's like an 85% chance JonDon turns Sam in to a wildcat quarterback. In fact, he kinda has an Eric Crouch look to him
    Then get Luke McCaffrey from Nebraska
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  • Emoterman
    Emoterman Member Posts: 3,333
    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    Or, I mean, he's a good soldier who is dyed in the wool as a Huskie and dad/uncle taught him to spit the company line but...


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  • HoustonHusky
    HoustonHusky Member Posts: 5,999
    Hey Jimmy...finally listened to your press conference. Helpful hint..every person I have met in life who constantly tells me how hard they work have been the laziest f*ckers I’ve had to deal with.
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  • Quietcowskee
    Quietcowskee Member Posts: 4,218 Standard Supporter
    HoustonHusky said:

    Hey Jimmy...finally listened to your press conference. Helpful hint..every person I have met in life who constantly tells me how hard they work have been the laziest f*ckers I’ve had to deal with.

    You know a lot of bricklayers?
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  • Tequilla
    Tequilla Member Posts: 20,098
    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    For whatever it is worth K also had positive things to say about JonDon on the way out the door
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  • insinceredawg
    insinceredawg Member Posts: 5,117
    Tequilla said:

    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    For whatever it is worth K also had positive things to say about JonDon on the way out the door
    What did he say?
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  • dtd
    dtd Member Posts: 5,273 Standard Supporter
    Tequilla said:

    RaceBannon said:




    Either Huard is going to suck or Husky legend John Donovan is good
    For whatever it is worth K also had positive things to say about JonDon on the way out the door
    And Chip Kelly told Oregon's AD to hire Mark Helfrich.
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