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Promote Gregory to DC?
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Meth and heroine aren’t THAT addictive...Tequilla said:
If Yary’s issues were well known (and it sounds like they were) then he shouldn’t have been brought inCallMeBigErn said:
Fair, but it does show a willingness to go after some bad dudes. Haven't we been crying for bad dudes for years? Jimmy must have given the green light to go after Yary.1to392831weretaken said:
I'm mostly on your side on this one (I mean, tight end coach may be the least important thing if football, so who really gives a fuck anyway) in that I have no problem with Cato and think he seems to be doing a decent job. That being said, he didn't get Yary. USC got Yary, realized he's a crackhead, booted him, and then Cato picked up the sloppy seconds. Yary is a negative mark on Cato's record to me. Should have stayed away from those damaged goods.CallMeBigErn said:
If you would have been pissed if Moore and Bogan went elsewhere, which you surely would have, you have to give Cato credit for getting them. And I know its meaningless, but being in a battle vs. Georgia for Bowers is promising. And he did get Yary, despite the issues. Yes, he hasn't proven to be a great coach yet, but I'm saying he's laying a pretty good foundation for a guy that has been on the job for only 9 months. I see promise.Tequilla said:
Cade stayed because he didn't have enough film on him to get a high enough pick this year to make it worth the while ... coming back and he'll very likely be an easy Top 2 round guy. It makes sense.CallMeBigErn said:
He's landed Quentin Moore, Chance Bogan, kept Cade for another year, has shown promise and effort on the recruiting trail, and can clearly coach. I'd give him a solid grade for the 9 months he's been TE coach.insinceredawg said:
Best TE room? We have Cade for one more year and a bunch of unproven guys. The only big recruiting win Cato's gotten turned out to be a methhead.CallMeBigErn said:
Other than the fact that we have one of the best TE rooms in the country? Give Paopao some credit, but give Cato credit too.Tequilla said:
And what evidence is there that Cato's worth a damn other than he finishes in the Top 3 often?CallMeBigErn said:Hot take. Gregory is going to be pretty much identical to Coach K as DC. If you liked Coach K, you should be okay with this move. It takes Gregory off the recruiting trail somewhat, which is a positive. I will accept debates about hiring a QC guy as DL coach, but that has worked out pretty good for Cato. I'm in LIPO mode.
Moore was a local kid that while I am optimistic on it being a good get we need to be realistic at what we're doing here. Moore is hopefully a high end guy that is getting brought in to fill gaps in recruiting that effectively didn't pan out for a few years. He wasn't the highest TE on the board last year for us and we missed on the higher targets.
Bogan looks like he's a nice prospect and I look forward to seeing his development. Keeping local players home is a sign of competence vs being a disaster. For me to view a coach as being pretty good or better, you need to start winning recruiting battles against programs that are above your weight class and/or kids from out of the area that you're competing against at least relatively peer schools. Scott Huff is worth a damn. Cato ain't even close to that level at this point.
This “we need bad dudes” narrative is fucking idiotic
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I care less about this than the JonDon shit.
That was an obviously questionable hire, and then they made him the highest paid assistant.
Gregory it's clear the other coaches think he's good at development/xs and os. 2019 he was awful, but he's turned a midget skateboarder into an all american and he found his guy in eddie. McDonald it sounded like was going to overtake Sirmon in a full season.
And the coordinator has the least burden to recruit.
The two db coaches and their production and Malloe taking a year off are more unsettling.
Even huff, for his recruiting, should have his unit road grading more than they are. -
Why are you guys arguing about a TE coach, we have more pressing matters. So Gregory is going to be calling defensive plays? That Michigan game is going to be the biggest overreaction no matter what happens. People are going to be calling for his head/talking shit about how genius James Oceans is. Can't wait. See you fuckers at the Big House
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What a loser Lake is. He's gone from thinking Kellen Moore would be his OC to hiring JonDon, losing EE, Emeka, and Troy, to losing Kwat, and now promoting Gregory.
Has any HC had a shittier off the field year? Seriously. From what was on the table a year ago to this shit pile...
Elite players don't want to play for him, and good coaches don't want to coach for him. -
Lake wanted Moore? You sure that wasn't Pete trying to "help" and "counsel" UW after that embarrassment of a season?Kingdome_Urinals said:What a loser Lake is. He's gone from thinking Kellen Moore would be his OC to hiring JonDon, losing EE, Emeka, and Troy, to losing Kwat, and now promoting Gregory.
Has any HC had a shittier off the field year? Seriously. From what was on the table a year ago to this shit pile...
Elite players don't want to play for him, and good coaches don't want to coach for him.
Since 2013: our offense got softer. Our recruiting targets got more finesse. Our OC got more subservient/shittier.
Lake took a blow torch to that immediately after the Vegas bowl. -
FWIW (nothing, I know), I'm with Big Ern. We at least looked okay this past year (?). We won the North. We finished with the best record. I'm not going to act like it's the crystal football or anything, but it's half decent. I'm very pessimistic about JonDon bc even if you accept he wanted to protect Morris by running the ball, our run schemes were fucking stupid, as in "I haven't really read up on anything new relating to offensive football in 15 years" stupid. Like thinking Leonard Fournette is a good feature back in today's football stupid. You can run the ball w/o getting into jumbo/tight formations. In fact, if you've followed, you know, football, in the past 5 years, you'd know you can generally run the ball *better* that way.
And spare me the myopic provincialism. We're the only one who knows who Otton is pretty much, and Puka caught all of 9 passes. Both look promising but have barely done shit. Let's see a year's production before we start blowing each other, ok?
Back to the optimism. We looked okay even with a guy at QB whose ceiling is decent college QB. Our OL returns, our DL returns, our back end returns. Fuck Cato, I want to see Adams do, oh I don't know, one fucking thing right. Land somebody and then get them to perform. We do that, we should be okay next year. End of the day, our defense probably stays the same and our recruiting probably got better (assuming Rowan is young and fiery). -
Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?insinceredawg said:
100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.hardhat said:
When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.
But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist. -
When Sark landed the UW job and needed to hire a staff, he didn't know what else to do, so he started hiring guys off the USC staff he had just come from. This feels no different.
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DrKarlHartDawg, true?!! I just heard an argument for this on Joe Rogan.HoustonHusky said:
Meth and heroine aren’t THAT addictive...Tequilla said:
If Yary’s issues were well known (and it sounds like they were) then he shouldn’t have been brought inCallMeBigErn said:
Fair, but it does show a willingness to go after some bad dudes. Haven't we been crying for bad dudes for years? Jimmy must have given the green light to go after Yary.1to392831weretaken said:
I'm mostly on your side on this one (I mean, tight end coach may be the least important thing if football, so who really gives a fuck anyway) in that I have no problem with Cato and think he seems to be doing a decent job. That being said, he didn't get Yary. USC got Yary, realized he's a crackhead, booted him, and then Cato picked up the sloppy seconds. Yary is a negative mark on Cato's record to me. Should have stayed away from those damaged goods.CallMeBigErn said:
If you would have been pissed if Moore and Bogan went elsewhere, which you surely would have, you have to give Cato credit for getting them. And I know its meaningless, but being in a battle vs. Georgia for Bowers is promising. And he did get Yary, despite the issues. Yes, he hasn't proven to be a great coach yet, but I'm saying he's laying a pretty good foundation for a guy that has been on the job for only 9 months. I see promise.Tequilla said:
Cade stayed because he didn't have enough film on him to get a high enough pick this year to make it worth the while ... coming back and he'll very likely be an easy Top 2 round guy. It makes sense.CallMeBigErn said:
He's landed Quentin Moore, Chance Bogan, kept Cade for another year, has shown promise and effort on the recruiting trail, and can clearly coach. I'd give him a solid grade for the 9 months he's been TE coach.insinceredawg said:
Best TE room? We have Cade for one more year and a bunch of unproven guys. The only big recruiting win Cato's gotten turned out to be a methhead.CallMeBigErn said:
Other than the fact that we have one of the best TE rooms in the country? Give Paopao some credit, but give Cato credit too.Tequilla said:
And what evidence is there that Cato's worth a damn other than he finishes in the Top 3 often?CallMeBigErn said:Hot take. Gregory is going to be pretty much identical to Coach K as DC. If you liked Coach K, you should be okay with this move. It takes Gregory off the recruiting trail somewhat, which is a positive. I will accept debates about hiring a QC guy as DL coach, but that has worked out pretty good for Cato. I'm in LIPO mode.
Moore was a local kid that while I am optimistic on it being a good get we need to be realistic at what we're doing here. Moore is hopefully a high end guy that is getting brought in to fill gaps in recruiting that effectively didn't pan out for a few years. He wasn't the highest TE on the board last year for us and we missed on the higher targets.
Bogan looks like he's a nice prospect and I look forward to seeing his development. Keeping local players home is a sign of competence vs being a disaster. For me to view a coach as being pretty good or better, you need to start winning recruiting battles against programs that are above your weight class and/or kids from out of the area that you're competing against at least relatively peer schools. Scott Huff is worth a damn. Cato ain't even close to that level at this point.
This “we need bad dudes” narrative is fucking idiotic -
How many coaches AREN'T bullshit artists? Chris P, maybe.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy also said "money was no object" in making the right hire. If that's the case, then why has Jen Cohen been sending out letters to donators pleading with them to save athletics at UW?insinceredawg said:
100% bullshit. Names are always leaked during the interview process as agents try to get their guys free pub.hardhat said:
When I saw Jimmy being interviewed after the Utah win, I felt invigorated by the happiness and passion of the moment.
But I see shit like this and I think he's a bullshit artist.
