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Promote Gregory to DC?
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Cato current evaluation is simmilar to KB early when he came in luckily there was solid local talent at his position and he signed them but you don't deserve extra credit for that. KB has been exposed sinse as a terrible recruiter who has been unable to recruit any out of state talent. At this point we suck and obviously don't want to spend money and essentially are running a low power 5 model of hiring interns and internal promotions. At this point LIPO..Tequilla said:
In golf terms, I see getting Moore and Bogan as playing a Par 4, hitting your drive down the middle, playing to the fat of the green leaving yourself a 30 foot birdie putt, and hitting a good lag putt to tap in distance. It’s a solid result but not anything that you get a ton of credit for. 3 putting would be akin to losing them. Bowers is playing a Par 5 where you need to make eagle, hit a strong drive to give yourself a chance, but you need to hit a perfect 3 wood on the edge of your number to have any chance ... being in a battle just means that you hit the greenside bunker instead of the water hazard fronting the green or the OB to the left.CallMeBigErn said:
If you would have been pissed if Moore and Bogan went elsewhere, which you surely would have, you have to give Cato credit for getting them. And I know its meaningless, but being in a battle vs. Georgia for Bowers is promising. And he did get Yary, despite the issues. Yes, he hasn't proven to be a great coach yet, but I'm saying he's laying a pretty good foundation for a guy that has been on the job for only 9 months. I see promise.Tequilla said:
Cade stayed because he didn't have enough film on him to get a high enough pick this year to make it worth the while ... coming back and he'll very likely be an easy Top 2 round guy. It makes sense.CallMeBigErn said:
He's landed Quentin Moore, Chance Bogan, kept Cade for another year, has shown promise and effort on the recruiting trail, and can clearly coach. I'd give him a solid grade for the 9 months he's been TE coach.insinceredawg said:
Best TE room? We have Cade for one more year and a bunch of unproven guys. The only big recruiting win Cato's gotten turned out to be a methhead.CallMeBigErn said:
Other than the fact that we have one of the best TE rooms in the country? Give Paopao some credit, but give Cato credit too.Tequilla said:
And what evidence is there that Cato's worth a damn other than he finishes in the Top 3 often?CallMeBigErn said:Hot take. Gregory is going to be pretty much identical to Coach K as DC. If you liked Coach K, you should be okay with this move. It takes Gregory off the recruiting trail somewhat, which is a positive. I will accept debates about hiring a QC guy as DL coach, but that has worked out pretty good for Cato. I'm in LIPO mode.
Moore was a local kid that while I am optimistic on it being a good get we need to be realistic at what we're doing here. Moore is hopefully a high end guy that is getting brought in to fill gaps in recruiting that effectively didn't pan out for a few years. He wasn't the highest TE on the board last year for us and we missed on the higher targets.
Bogan looks like he's a nice prospect and I look forward to seeing his development. Keeping local players home is a sign of competence vs being a disaster. For me to view a coach as being pretty good or better, you need to start winning recruiting battles against programs that are above your weight class and/or kids from out of the area that you're competing against at least relatively peer schools. Scott Huff is worth a damn. Cato ain't even close to that level at this point. -
I'm super broken up about this.chuck said:
Doog on then. Just don't expect anyone to join you.CallMeBigErn said:
I make judgements based on what happens on the field. Outlandish, I know. Stanford was ugly, but we still should have had a chance to play for the title. Your tune might be different had we won it. In this asterisk of a season, we went 3-1. Hard to make judgements yet. I'm in show-me mode. I'm giving Jimmy the chance to sink or swim on the field. LIPO.chuck said:
Fuck that stupid north title. Thats the most ridiculous thing to claim that I've ever heard of in college football. If you feel like your team just won anything of note then you're the only one here who does. That I would bet on.CallMeBigErn said:
Did we not just win the north? Let's give Jimmy a full season, shall we?chuck said:
I'm talking about more than wins Ern. The south of seven wins territory is just the inevitable finale. The public image of Lake's program has already sunk there and that's fucking ridiculous given what Lake was handed. Wins will soon follow.CallMeBigErn said:
Somewhere south of seven wins? That sounds bad.chuck said:Gregory isn't necessarily the part that bugs me. Hes probably going to be good as DC. It's just the general lack of signs that UW is making big boy moves. He has quickly lowered the look of the program to a lower tier than it is. When the effects of his shit recruiting catch up the reality will match this perception and that is somewhere south of Sarkisian levels.
Unless...ah fuck I dont see any way this surprises me.
75% of his job is the offseason, and @GrandpaSankey can see that he sucks at it. His recruiting and staff management doesn't need a season for any objective in server to see that.
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Your posting makes it clear that you care. You want someone here to side with you.CallMeBigErn said:
I'm super broken up about this.chuck said:
Doog on then. Just don't expect anyone to join you.CallMeBigErn said:
I make judgements based on what happens on the field. Outlandish, I know. Stanford was ugly, but we still should have had a chance to play for the title. Your tune might be different had we won it. In this asterisk of a season, we went 3-1. Hard to make judgements yet. I'm in show-me mode. I'm giving Jimmy the chance to sink or swim on the field. LIPO.chuck said:
Fuck that stupid north title. Thats the most ridiculous thing to claim that I've ever heard of in college football. If you feel like your team just won anything of note then you're the only one here who does. That I would bet on.CallMeBigErn said:
Did we not just win the north? Let's give Jimmy a full season, shall we?chuck said:
I'm talking about more than wins Ern. The south of seven wins territory is just the inevitable finale. The public image of Lake's program has already sunk there and that's fucking ridiculous given what Lake was handed. Wins will soon follow.CallMeBigErn said:
Somewhere south of seven wins? That sounds bad.chuck said:Gregory isn't necessarily the part that bugs me. Hes probably going to be good as DC. It's just the general lack of signs that UW is making big boy moves. He has quickly lowered the look of the program to a lower tier than it is. When the effects of his shit recruiting catch up the reality will match this perception and that is somewhere south of Sarkisian levels.
Unless...ah fuck I dont see any way this surprises me.
75% of his job is the offseason, and @GrandpaSankey can see that he sucks at it. His recruiting and staff management doesn't need a season for any objective in server to see that.
I'm always one of the last to give up on coaches and players. I thought Lake was the right hire. I didn't pile on or even comment when he started making needle dick moves out of the gate. I've seen enough though. History is going to side with the half brains on this one. It's painfully obvious. -
There's several rational posters that have said some version of LIPO. @RaceBannon is letting Jimmy cook. So am I. Quit bein so damn dramatic. It's not a good look.chuck said:
Your posting makes it clear that you care. You want someone here to side with you.CallMeBigErn said:
I'm super broken up about this.chuck said:
Doog on then. Just don't expect anyone to join you.CallMeBigErn said:
I make judgements based on what happens on the field. Outlandish, I know. Stanford was ugly, but we still should have had a chance to play for the title. Your tune might be different had we won it. In this asterisk of a season, we went 3-1. Hard to make judgements yet. I'm in show-me mode. I'm giving Jimmy the chance to sink or swim on the field. LIPO.chuck said:
Fuck that stupid north title. Thats the most ridiculous thing to claim that I've ever heard of in college football. If you feel like your team just won anything of note then you're the only one here who does. That I would bet on.CallMeBigErn said:
Did we not just win the north? Let's give Jimmy a full season, shall we?chuck said:
I'm talking about more than wins Ern. The south of seven wins territory is just the inevitable finale. The public image of Lake's program has already sunk there and that's fucking ridiculous given what Lake was handed. Wins will soon follow.CallMeBigErn said:
Somewhere south of seven wins? That sounds bad.chuck said:Gregory isn't necessarily the part that bugs me. Hes probably going to be good as DC. It's just the general lack of signs that UW is making big boy moves. He has quickly lowered the look of the program to a lower tier than it is. When the effects of his shit recruiting catch up the reality will match this perception and that is somewhere south of Sarkisian levels.
Unless...ah fuck I dont see any way this surprises me.
75% of his job is the offseason, and @GrandpaSankey can see that he sucks at it. His recruiting and staff management doesn't need a season for any objective in server to see that.
I'm always one of the last to give up on coaches and players. I thought Lake was the right hire. I didn't pile on or even comment when he started making needle dick moves out of the gate. I've seen enough though. History is going to side with the half brains on this one. It's painfully obvious. -
You've been screeching through teary eyes about this, to the amusement and mockery of literally everyone else here. Don't try and play cool now, kiddo.CallMeBigErn said:
I'm super broken up about this.chuck said:
Doog on then. Just don't expect anyone to join you.CallMeBigErn said:
I make judgements based on what happens on the field. Outlandish, I know. Stanford was ugly, but we still should have had a chance to play for the title. Your tune might be different had we won it. In this asterisk of a season, we went 3-1. Hard to make judgements yet. I'm in show-me mode. I'm giving Jimmy the chance to sink or swim on the field. LIPO.chuck said:
Fuck that stupid north title. Thats the most ridiculous thing to claim that I've ever heard of in college football. If you feel like your team just won anything of note then you're the only one here who does. That I would bet on.CallMeBigErn said:
Did we not just win the north? Let's give Jimmy a full season, shall we?chuck said:
I'm talking about more than wins Ern. The south of seven wins territory is just the inevitable finale. The public image of Lake's program has already sunk there and that's fucking ridiculous given what Lake was handed. Wins will soon follow.CallMeBigErn said:
Somewhere south of seven wins? That sounds bad.chuck said:Gregory isn't necessarily the part that bugs me. Hes probably going to be good as DC. It's just the general lack of signs that UW is making big boy moves. He has quickly lowered the look of the program to a lower tier than it is. When the effects of his shit recruiting catch up the reality will match this perception and that is somewhere south of Sarkisian levels.
Unless...ah fuck I dont see any way this surprises me.
75% of his job is the offseason, and @GrandpaSankey can see that he sucks at it. His recruiting and staff management doesn't need a season for any objective in server to see that.
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Go through my posts, Gladstone. Not surprised that you're living in an alternate reality.Gladstone said:
You've been screeching through teary eyes about this, to the amusement and mockery of literally everyone else here. Don't try and play cool now, kiddo.CallMeBigErn said:
I'm super broken up about this.chuck said:
Doog on then. Just don't expect anyone to join you.CallMeBigErn said:
I make judgements based on what happens on the field. Outlandish, I know. Stanford was ugly, but we still should have had a chance to play for the title. Your tune might be different had we won it. In this asterisk of a season, we went 3-1. Hard to make judgements yet. I'm in show-me mode. I'm giving Jimmy the chance to sink or swim on the field. LIPO.chuck said:
Fuck that stupid north title. Thats the most ridiculous thing to claim that I've ever heard of in college football. If you feel like your team just won anything of note then you're the only one here who does. That I would bet on.CallMeBigErn said:
Did we not just win the north? Let's give Jimmy a full season, shall we?chuck said:
I'm talking about more than wins Ern. The south of seven wins territory is just the inevitable finale. The public image of Lake's program has already sunk there and that's fucking ridiculous given what Lake was handed. Wins will soon follow.CallMeBigErn said:
Somewhere south of seven wins? That sounds bad.chuck said:Gregory isn't necessarily the part that bugs me. Hes probably going to be good as DC. It's just the general lack of signs that UW is making big boy moves. He has quickly lowered the look of the program to a lower tier than it is. When the effects of his shit recruiting catch up the reality will match this perception and that is somewhere south of Sarkisian levels.
Unless...ah fuck I dont see any way this surprises me.
75% of his job is the offseason, and @GrandpaSankey can see that he sucks at it. His recruiting and staff management doesn't need a season for any objective in server to see that.
edit: lol @ trying to tie yourself to race foh
It's like its abnormal to not be jumping off a bridge after every move. -
I roll with Big Ern
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You get props for using a gif from The Room, my favorite movie of all time.Gladstone said: -
Bad dudes with coke habits who commit light felonies. Those guys win football games. Dope addicts don't do shit except steal and slowly die. Cato needs to learn the difference.CallMeBigErn said:
Fair, but it does show a willingness to go after some bad dudes. Haven't we been crying for bad dudes for years? Jimmy must have given the green light to go after Yary.1to392831weretaken said:
I'm mostly on your side on this one (I mean, tight end coach may be the least important thing if football, so who really gives a fuck anyway) in that I have no problem with Cato and think he seems to be doing a decent job. That being said, he didn't get Yary. USC got Yary, realized he's a crackhead, booted him, and then Cato picked up the sloppy seconds. Yary is a negative mark on Cato's record to me. Should have stayed away from those damaged goods.CallMeBigErn said:
If you would have been pissed if Moore and Bogan went elsewhere, which you surely would have, you have to give Cato credit for getting them. And I know its meaningless, but being in a battle vs. Georgia for Bowers is promising. And he did get Yary, despite the issues. Yes, he hasn't proven to be a great coach yet, but I'm saying he's laying a pretty good foundation for a guy that has been on the job for only 9 months. I see promise.Tequilla said:
Cade stayed because he didn't have enough film on him to get a high enough pick this year to make it worth the while ... coming back and he'll very likely be an easy Top 2 round guy. It makes sense.CallMeBigErn said:
He's landed Quentin Moore, Chance Bogan, kept Cade for another year, has shown promise and effort on the recruiting trail, and can clearly coach. I'd give him a solid grade for the 9 months he's been TE coach.insinceredawg said:
Best TE room? We have Cade for one more year and a bunch of unproven guys. The only big recruiting win Cato's gotten turned out to be a methhead.CallMeBigErn said:
Other than the fact that we have one of the best TE rooms in the country? Give Paopao some credit, but give Cato credit too.Tequilla said:
And what evidence is there that Cato's worth a damn other than he finishes in the Top 3 often?CallMeBigErn said:Hot take. Gregory is going to be pretty much identical to Coach K as DC. If you liked Coach K, you should be okay with this move. It takes Gregory off the recruiting trail somewhat, which is a positive. I will accept debates about hiring a QC guy as DL coach, but that has worked out pretty good for Cato. I'm in LIPO mode.
Moore was a local kid that while I am optimistic on it being a good get we need to be realistic at what we're doing here. Moore is hopefully a high end guy that is getting brought in to fill gaps in recruiting that effectively didn't pan out for a few years. He wasn't the highest TE on the board last year for us and we missed on the higher targets.
Bogan looks like he's a nice prospect and I look forward to seeing his development. Keeping local players home is a sign of competence vs being a disaster. For me to view a coach as being pretty good or better, you need to start winning recruiting battles against programs that are above your weight class and/or kids from out of the area that you're competing against at least relatively peer schools. Scott Huff is worth a damn. Cato ain't even close to that level at this point.
