Kristi Noem: How the GOP failed the nation

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

HHusky said:

NY's 222 deaths per 100K still greater than SD's 200. But the Jackrabbits are closing the gap fast.

ND fucked up. Mask mandate.

If you see anybody from the Noem Administration in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.

Right you are!

ICYMI

AOG said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

@NorthwestFresh @RaceBannon this is an example of more like what we call an "argument." You state a few facts, reach a conclusion, and don't fuck everybody off at the same time

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

The GOP was worthless to Trump

She's right you're not

Trump was the head of the GOP ...

You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.

Pitchfork51 said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

The GOP was worthless to Trump

She's right you're not

Trump was the head of the GOP ...

You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?

Bullshit. Trump had the voter loyalty but the McConnells of the world and other swamp creatures hated him from day one.

Now they get to do what they are best at- blame the other side while doing absolutely nothing and collect chinese cash.

Dems are bummed out because they were enjoying that game but then the dastardly little people in the party helped cheat and actually get biden in.

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.

I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something done

Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?

It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault

You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.

I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something done

Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?

It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault

You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.

So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matter

Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington

Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now.

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

WestlinnDuck said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.

I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something done

Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?

It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault

You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.

So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matter

Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington

Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now.

Exactly. Going to get ugly when the economy crashes and inflation hits. Socialism doesn't pay for itself. People can try to vote themselves an unlimited supply of welfare but there isn't an unlimited supply.

You can only tax so much

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

The GOP was worthless to Trump

She's right you're not

Trump was the head of the GOP ...

You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?

You know I love me some zone playing 3 point jackers but... Trump was the head of the GOP just as much as you played in the Final Four.

He caught those dipshits playing footsie across the aisle and asleep at the wheel. They were just as arrogant as the @DNC and by the time they figured out that he was going to be their nominee, they had to come along to go along.

Now that he's gone the Romeny/McConnells of the world are back to their old uniparty bullshit. Except now people are pissed and they are taking it out on the GOP.

If anything Trump is NOW the head of the GOP because he'll go in and primary damned near any of them. He'll give no fucks. Those 10 GOP clowns who voted for impeachment - they're toast. wellbye.gif to Liz Cheney and her ilk.

Mitt better find a spot in Biden's world because Trump is coming for him next.

1) My comment was 81% a zing to Grandpappy Race who uses that logic often when it comes to UW Football, etc

2) I don’t disagree with you that those that held their nose with Trump now have a runway to distance themselves

I’ll just say this ... Trump’s brought certain things to the forefront that has exposed some of the lies and hypocrisy within Government ... the fact that the media has gone full propaganda since 2016 and not even trying to hide it is telling.

That said, Trump’s “brand” isn’t going to resonate enough to ever again get a win nationally because too many people in the middle won’t vote for him on principle (mean Orange man). Sure, that can work in some regions and locations but it’s just going to ensure a vocal minority.

Finding the balance between what has worked well while rebuilding the connection with those more moderate/centralized on the spectrum is required to beat the Democrats going forward. It’s basic math.

You got the president you deserve

Biden is a centrist moderate

Why bother beating the democrats by being like them and chasing their narratives

GOP Scoducks

RaceBannon said:

Nobody said he's perfect. Just wonder why you give the democrats a pass unless you want them to win

You focus on Trump like they want you too. You repeat the false narrative.

We both know you wanted Biden and his awesome personality. I mean who cares about issues?

NorthwestFresh said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

PurpleThrobber said:

Tequilla said:

RaceBannon said:

Tequilla said:

I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does

That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished

It just comes off as playing both sides ...

I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message

In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card

The GOP was worthless to Trump

She's right you're not

Trump was the head of the GOP ...

You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?

You know I love me some zone playing 3 point jackers but... Trump was the head of the GOP just as much as you played in the Final Four.

He caught those dipshits playing footsie across the aisle and asleep at the wheel. They were just as arrogant as the @DNC and by the time they figured out that he was going to be their nominee, they had to come along to go along.

Now that he's gone the Romeny/McConnells of the world are back to their old uniparty bullshit. Except now people are pissed and they are taking it out on the GOP.

If anything Trump is NOW the head of the GOP because he'll go in and primary damned near any of them. He'll give no fucks. Those 10 GOP clowns who voted for impeachment - they're toast. wellbye.gif to Liz Cheney and her ilk.

Mitt better find a spot in Biden's world because Trump is coming for him next.

1) My comment was 81% a zing to Grandpappy Race who uses that logic often when it comes to UW Football, etc

2) I don’t disagree with you that those that held their nose with Trump now have a runway to distance themselves

I’ll just say this ... Trump’s brought certain things to the forefront that has exposed some of the lies and hypocrisy within Government ... the fact that the media has gone full propaganda since 2016 and not even trying to hide it is telling.

That said, Trump’s “brand” isn’t going to resonate enough to ever again get a win nationally because too many people in the middle won’t vote for him on principle (mean Orange man). Sure, that can work in some regions and locations but it’s just going to ensure a vocal minority.

Finding the balance between what has worked well while rebuilding the connection with those more moderate/centralized on the spectrum is required to beat the Democrats going forward. It’s basic math.

You got the president you deserve

Biden is a centrist moderate

Why bother beating the democrats by being like them and chasing their narratives

GOP Scoducks

I don’t endorse Biden in any manner ... I don’t expect the history books to look back on this Presidency fondly

That said, anybody that doesn’t understand how Trump’s persona bit him in the ass I don’t know what to tell you

The concerning thing to me with most heavy Trump supporters that I see is a refusal to concede that Trump has his own warts ... it’s Trump’s perfect and fuck everybody else

You don’t get that on this bored. Trump supporters here I’ve read know he has personality flaws and simply don’t care. Put me in that camp. His attacks on McCain were absolutely stupid but he’s a Queen’s playboy who spent years on construction sites. He’s a New Yorker. Andrew Cuomo has the same bombast with lesser accomplishments and the Left loves the guy even though he’s well-known for being a bully and an asshole.