Kristi Noem: How the GOP failed the nation
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You know I love me some zone playing 3 point jackers but... Trump was the head of the GOP just as much as you played in the Final Four.Tequilla said:
Trump was the head of the GOP ...RaceBannon said:
The GOP was worthless to TrumpTequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
She's right you're not
You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?
He caught those dipshits playing footsie across the aisle and asleep at the wheel. They were just as arrogant as the @DNC and by the time they figured out that he was going to be their nominee, they had to come along to go along.
Now that he's gone the Romeny/McConnells of the world are back to their old uniparty bullshit. Except now people are pissed and they are taking it out on the GOP.
If anything Trump is NOW the head of the GOP because he'll go in and primary damned near any of them. He'll give no fucks. Those 10 GOP clowns who voted for impeachment - they're toast. wellbye.gif to Liz Cheney and her ilk.
Mitt better find a spot in Biden's world because Trump is coming for him next.
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I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault -
You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.Tequilla said:
I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault -
You mean the same Mitch McConnell that was LOATHED by Dems for doing all of Trump’s bidding? Pushing through a Supreme Court nominee?Pitchfork51 said:
Bullshit. Trump had the voter loyalty but the McConnells of the world and other swamp creatures hated him from day one.Tequilla said:
Trump was the head of the GOP ...RaceBannon said:
The GOP was worthless to TrumpTequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
She's right you're not
You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?
Now they get to do what they are best at- blame the other side while doing absolutely nothing and collect chinese cash.
Dems are bummed out because they were enjoying that game but then the dastardly little people in the party helped cheat and actually get biden in.
McConnell’s nothing more than your typical politician that changes their stripes based on what is convenient for him.
When Trump was President and it looked like he’s be re-elected McConnell was a faithful servant doing the President’s bidding -
1) My comment was 81% a zing to Grandpappy Race who uses that logic often when it comes to UW Football, etcPurpleThrobber said:
You know I love me some zone playing 3 point jackers but... Trump was the head of the GOP just as much as you played in the Final Four.Tequilla said:
Trump was the head of the GOP ...RaceBannon said:
The GOP was worthless to TrumpTequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
She's right you're not
You know how you like to talk about all accountability starts and ends at the top of the food chain?
He caught those dipshits playing footsie across the aisle and asleep at the wheel. They were just as arrogant as the @DNC and by the time they figured out that he was going to be their nominee, they had to come along to go along.
Now that he's gone the Romeny/McConnells of the world are back to their old uniparty bullshit. Except now people are pissed and they are taking it out on the GOP.
If anything Trump is NOW the head of the GOP because he'll go in and primary damned near any of them. He'll give no fucks. Those 10 GOP clowns who voted for impeachment - they're toast. wellbye.gif to Liz Cheney and her ilk.
Mitt better find a spot in Biden's world because Trump is coming for him next.
2) I don’t disagree with you that those that held their nose with Trump now have a runway to distance themselves
I’ll just say this ... Trump’s brought certain things to the forefront that has exposed some of the lies and hypocrisy within Government ... the fact that the media has gone full propaganda since 2016 and not even trying to hide it is telling.
That said, Trump’s “brand” isn’t going to resonate enough to ever again get a win nationally because too many people in the middle won’t vote for him on principle (mean Orange man). Sure, that can work in some regions and locations but it’s just going to ensure a vocal minority.
Finding the balance between what has worked well while rebuilding the connection with those more moderate/centralized on the spectrum is required to beat the Democrats going forward. It’s basic math. -
So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matterWestlinnDuck said:
You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.Tequilla said:
I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault
Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington
Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now. -
Then why did it include North Korea and didn't include Saudi Arabia or Indonesia? Why are you such a lying lightweight?AOG said:
Whatever. It was a Muslim ban.WestlinnDuck said:
Uh, the President has explicit statutory authority to restrict immigration. And there was not "Muslim" ban. There was a ban from countries that could not supply sufficient information to verify qualification for travel and immigration to the US. These countries were largely muslim sh*tholes. Go figure. Biden is free to exercise his authority in this area. Personally, I think travelers and immigrants to the US should be vetted. Others root for the away team.AOG said:I don't get how Biden oversteps his authority by reversing a Trump executive order that was probably "executive overreach." A good example is the Muslim ban. It's just back to the way it was prior to Trump's executive overreach.
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Exactly. Going to get ugly when the economy crashes and inflation hits. Socialism doesn't pay for itself. People can try to vote themselves an unlimited supply of welfare but there isn't an unlimited supply.Tequilla said:
So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matterWestlinnDuck said:
You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.Tequilla said:
I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault
Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington
Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now. -
You can only tax so muchWestlinnDuck said:
Exactly. Going to get ugly when the economy crashes and inflation hits. Socialism doesn't pay for itself. People can try to vote themselves an unlimited supply of welfare but there isn't an unlimited supply.Tequilla said:
So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matterWestlinnDuck said:
You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.Tequilla said:
I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault
Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington
Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now. -
California says, "Hold my beer."Tequilla said:
You can only tax so muchWestlinnDuck said:
Exactly. Going to get ugly when the economy crashes and inflation hits. Socialism doesn't pay for itself. People can try to vote themselves an unlimited supply of welfare but there isn't an unlimited supply.Tequilla said:
So in that case we’re fucked and it doesn’t matterWestlinnDuck said:
You are ignoring the real world we live in and creating some bipartisan world stuffed with unicorns. We get the Congress we vote in. Oregon and Washington send deep blue phucks to Congress. There is nothing as a conservative Oregonian that I can do outside of starting shooting. I'd be happy to compromise if it was real compromise. But the left isn't about compromise, its about hard rule. There aren't 60 Senators that support a closed or mostly closed border. That's the compromise I'd accept. Amnesty for a closed border and a rational immigration policy. It's not my fault that that isn't acceptable to Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Mitch McConnel and 48 dem senators.Tequilla said:
I hear a lot of why you can’t get something done instead of what you can do to get something doneWestlinnDuck said:
You can only accomplish so much with an executive order. Comprehensive immigration reform requires legislation. When you have at best one or two democrat senators that support a truly closed border and limited immigration combined with an amnesty program, there will be no such legislation. You need 60 votes in the Senate for that and you probably have at best 25 republican senators that want a closed border and limited immigration after amnesty. Hell, you have the dem Speaker of the House defending MS-13 illegals.Tequilla said:I have no issues with Noem ... would like to see her on a big stage to see how she does
That said, you can’t on one hand say that Republicans dropped the ball because they need to do a better job of what they say they are going to do (and she named examples) and then on the other hand say Trump is going to go down and judged as one of the best Presidents in history because of what he accomplished
It just comes off as playing both sides ...
I think her first response is correct and the better talking point ... President Trump accomplished a lot (name a couple) but as Republicans we failed to provide a replacement for Obamacare, drive comprehensive immigration reform, etc ... and note that as Republicans we want to be judged on our actions/results and how much they match our words ... that’s a winning message
In 1 week in the White House you can find countless examples of Biden playing the pay attention to what I say not what I do card
Maybe you don’t get 100% of what you want but can get 70% done ... is 0% or 70% better?
It’s always easier to blame others for not getting things that you promised done ... never your fault
Everything you say about living in Oregon is true living in Washington
Reality is that it’s only going to get worse as the spectrum shifts really start in the schools. It used to start showing up hard in college but it’s starting earlier now.
