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  • topdawgnc
    topdawgnc Member Posts: 7,841
    poast of the day
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Gotta respect the transparency somewhere.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,380
    edited June 2014
    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.
  • PurpleJ
    PurpleJ Member Posts: 37,778
    I always knew the $15 minimum wage would result in inflation, I just didn't think it would be so soon.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2014

    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

    Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

    It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

    There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently and for the long term. So I'm not sure what the evolution would be to.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,380
    edited June 2014

    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

    Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

    It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

    There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
    1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
    2. Ok. I believe you.
    3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
    4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
    5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited June 2014

    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

    Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

    It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

    There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
    1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
    2. Ok. I believe you.
    3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
    4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
    5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
    1. Heyne in Kane. Got it.
    2. Duh
    3. Is that what MSNBC told you to say? Cunt. But what you said in point 3 (above ) is not an ad hominem attack. And I know you thought it was.
    4. Disagree. Building a starwman means your not able to debate the issue so you make shit up. 5 year olds do that when they are caught in a tough situation
    5. I have both books and have read both books. I also refer my well worn copy of the Marx-Engles Reader fairly often when debating socialist Fucktards in real life.

    6. Are we arguing or agreeing? Seems like we're on the same page here.
    7. ?
    8. profit
  • QuornDawg
    QuornDawg Member Posts: 1,162
    Swaye said:

    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

    Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

    It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

    There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
    1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
    2. Ok. I believe you.
    3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
    4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
    5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
    Upvoted for pedantic twat pimple. That's going into my rotation.
    pedantictwatdoog would be a good screen name.

  • TierbsHsotBoobs
    TierbsHsotBoobs Member Posts: 39,680

    Swaye said:

    But does anybody who isn't stoopid actually think minimum wages increase jobs and stimulate the economy? Does even a left-wing hippie with a basic education in economics really believe that it does those things as opposed to what it really does - serve as yet another means of redistribution?

    I mean, I get it. Minimum wage means, among other things, that shit (defined loosely as goods and services) will cost more.

    Is it honestly anyone's view here that there are a lot of people who don't understand this basic truth? It's not a point of view. It's a factual reality given the system we have today. Maybe Marx was right and someday in the future we will reach a point of evolution where we have moved on from free market principles to a better system ("better" being defined however it's defined at that time). But until then, this is the one we have, and it works the way it works.

    I guess I'm saying, there's nothing to discover here.

    Sounds like some basic Kane Hall freshman shit. And, yes, some people don't understand the basic truth, and when given the facts and data to read for themselves, won't take the time to understand it (Hi OBK!!!)

    It's much easier to argue with Ad hominem attacks and build false realities (I.e. A CEO making $6 million a year while paying $10 an hour to 300 workers).

    There is still no other system than the free market that lifts more people out of grinding poverty consistently.
    1. Correct. But better to say, "some Heyne in Kane" shit. It rhymes.
    2. Ok. I believe you.
    3. There is nothing wrong with ad hominem rhetoric you pedantic little twat pimple. I would tell you to try it sometime, but you just called me a cunt somewhere else, so I think you are well familiar with the technique.
    4. I don't agree that it's easier to build false realities than it is to learn this shit in econ 201. In fact, I think building a good strawman is actually harder - it takes creativity, whereas word vomiting Paul Heyne's lectures just takes a decent memory and a mental pulse.
    5. You got that right pimpy. Even Marx said pretty much the same thing in both Das Kapital and The German Ideology. Hey, I'm not making this shit up. You can get those books on Amazon.
    Upvoted for pedantic twat pimple. That's going into my rotation.
    pedantictwatdoog would be a good screen name.

    This would have been a much better post had you bothered to use that handle to make said post.