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Super easy to doog about this defense with the best DC in CFB predicated on DB and DT play, with legit elite DBs and DTs, not to mention Laiatu Latu sure to make a big step up, who I wish I could get any kind of report on his progress.AtomicDawg said:
Are we going to have the one defense in college football that does not have major lapses and executes at a high level? I doubt it.Tequilla said:You're likely looking at very conservative playing calling, running the football often, playing field position, and playing to the strength of the defense.
They will be better than most but many of the top programs are struggling with this in 2020.
Would love to be wrong but the truth is we don’t have a Qb and we hired some that gives no reason to think we would be able develop one. An asst to the running back coach at a shit franchise ffs.
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@sonics1993 - why pama sama quit the team?
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The JD hire really hit him hard. Saw the writing on the wall, knew how easy it would be to stuff the offense in scrimmage. Just looking for new challenges, got a banking job in Colorado.FireCohen said:@sonics1993 - why pama sama quit the team?
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Thank you for mentioning anything about Latu. Heard nothing about him.Emoterman said:
Super easy to doog about this defense with the best DC in CFB predicated on DB and DT play, with legit elite DBs and DTs, not to mention Laiatu Latu sure to make a big step up, who I wish I could get any kind of report on his progress.AtomicDawg said:
Are we going to have the one defense in college football that does not have major lapses and executes at a high level? I doubt it.Tequilla said:You're likely looking at very conservative playing calling, running the football often, playing field position, and playing to the strength of the defense.
They will be better than most but many of the top programs are struggling with this in 2020.
Would love to be wrong but the truth is we don’t have a Qb and we hired some that gives no reason to think we would be able develop one. An asst to the running back coach at a shit franchise ffs.
This program has talent but lake is in so far over his head it’s embarrassing. -
We also lost our best two pass rushers. Safety play last year sucked as well as the inside linebackers. The difference vs the offense is I fully expect the coaches in charge to figure it out and they will play at a high level.Emoterman said:
Super easy to doog about this defense with the best DC in CFB predicated on DB and DT play, with legit elite DBs and DTs, not to mention Laiatu Latu sure to make a big step up, who I wish I could get any kind of report on his progress.AtomicDawg said:
Are we going to have the one defense in college football that does not have major lapses and executes at a high level? I doubt it.Tequilla said:You're likely looking at very conservative playing calling, running the football often, playing field position, and playing to the strength of the defense.
They will be better than most but many of the top programs are struggling with this in 2020.
Would love to be wrong but the truth is we don’t have a Qb and we hired some that gives no reason to think we would be able develop one. An asst to the running back coach at a shit franchise ffs.
This program has talent but lake is in so far over his head it’s embarrassing.
The biggest concern I have about the defense is many of the comparable defenses from years past at other programs around the country have been getting shredded. 2020 may be different different. -
Did your source give say indication of how Liatu Latu is doing? Perhaps in the form of a metaphorsonics1993 said:
Wasn’t at the scrimmage, these were take ways texted to me. Told it was a full scrimmage as they want to decide on a QB soon.These were some of the takeaways given to me:bananasnblondes said:@sonics1993 were you at the scrimmage or did you just seen the score? Not challenging your assessment, just hoping the "alternate score keeping" theory that many people are claiming today is true.
Also, what a fucking situation with Huff. Our one consistently solid recruiter is an absolute shitstain as a position coach.
- OL inconsistent with missed assignments and gave up to my CB penetration.
- QB’s were missing readings and not being accurate.
- ILB still a work in progress
On the positive side:
-Rome was really spoken highly of
- Interior DL was doing a great job at the point of attack
- DB’s we’re providing tight coverage
These are notes from a guy who gives it to me straight. Not that everyone is a beast and going to have a big year BS -
I get that. Really. I have a tendency not to react to partial info though. I expect the offense to be a train wreck. I just won't bitch about it until I know.CarlosDanger said:
When I was reading this, I literally looked at the address bar to make sure I wasn't on Doogman.chuck said:For all we know the plan was to stop every drive and kick for the FG practice.
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Very little to no chance it will happen, but it should. We’ll see. I don’t see them being bad. At least they shouldn’t be.RaceBannon said:If the O line sucks again a change is required
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EWIWBI?RoadDawg55 said:
Very little to no chance it will happen, but it should. We’ll see. I don’t see them being bad. At least they shouldn’t be.RaceBannon said:If the O line sucks again a change is required
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Stick to this year. We have a game coming up. Fuck the 2022 recruiting class until it happens.sonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing.
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“Tremble-inducing ghoulish beacon hole” brought this poast from an upvote to a chin.Gladstone said:
Truly but the JD hire was a gaping, tremble-inducing ghoulish beacon hole to the world that said "I am in way over my head"sonics1993 said:
He made plenty of other mistakes.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
😂Emoterman said:
You have to question the decision making skills of any QB that sticks around for the Adventures of Don Juanovan.GrundleStiltzkin said:
When they transfer outwhatshouldicareabout said:
Sounds like the offense is still too complicatedsonics1993 said:
Wasn’t at the scrimmage, these were take ways texted to me. Told it was a full scrimmage as they want to decide on a QB soon.These were some of the takeaways given to me:bananasnblondes said:@sonics1993 were you at the scrimmage or did you just seen the score? Not challenging your assessment, just hoping the "alternate score keeping" theory that many people are claiming today is true.
Also, what a fucking situation with Huff. Our one consistently solid recruiter is an absolute shitstain as a position coach.
- OL inconsistent with missed assignments and gave up to my CB penetration.
- QB’s were missing readings and not being accurate.
- ILB still a work in progress
On the positive side:
-Rome was really spoken highly of
- Interior DL was doing a great job at the point of attack
- DB’s we’re providing tight coverage
These are notes from a guy who gives it to me straight. Not that everyone is a beast and going to have a big year BS
How long until the QBs get their reads down?
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Are they running power to try and get in with no early whistles or anything like that?
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Think you guys are overreacting a bit. The offense didn’t light it up in a preseason intra squad scrimmage. Fine. Let’s wait a few games before declaring Jimmy Lake and Co in over their heads.Gladstone said:
Truly but the JD hire was a gaping, tremble-inducing ghoulish beacon hole to the world that said "I am in way over my head"sonics1993 said:
He made plenty of other mistakes.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
Disagree! They suck until they don't.Edwin_Bambino said:
Think you guys are overreacting a bit. The offense didn’t light it up in a preseason intra squad scrimmage. Fine. Let’s wait a few games before declaring Jimmy Lake and Co in over their heads.Gladstone said:
Truly but the JD hire was a gaping, tremble-inducing ghoulish beacon hole to the world that said "I am in way over my head"sonics1993 said:
He made plenty of other mistakes.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
Isn't this year average at best?sonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
Defense will be great.
Running game will be good.
QB will be hit and miss with a lot of mistakes and a few bright spots, but it’s just a place holder for Sam Huard.
5-2 or 6-1. A good team that finds an inexplicable way to lose a game it shouldn’t.
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I think the defense should be good but they cannot be expected to carry the team. We lost our best DL by far, we lost our best pass rusher by far, our LBs last year were garbage and so were our safeties. I do expect our CBS to be good but besides that (and perhaps interior DL) there are a ton of question marks on D.
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Exactly. We could have the best D in the Pac but that doesn't mean we're holding teams to 6 points. It means we're holding teams to 20 points. An awful offense means we're losing games 20-13DoogWhisperer said:I think the defense should be good but they cannot be expected to carry the team. We lost our best DL by far, we lost our best pass rusher by far, our LBs last year were garbage and so were our safeties. I do expect our CBS to be good but besides that (and perhaps interior DL) there are a ton of question marks on D.
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The offense could indeed suck this year. But it’s easy to over-interpret these scrimmage results, for at least two reasons.
First, defense always dominate offense in the preseason. That’s just the natural order of things. The only exception I can recall was in 2000, when UW returned a senior QB (Marques, its greatest ever), a dominating OL, an All-American TE, and a stable of RBs. That offense lit up the D in the spring game and throughout fall camp. But there’s been nothing like it in the twenty years since.
Second, Lake has outright admitted he’s playing things very close to the vest this preseason. He doesn’t want Cal to know anything about the scheme, the starting QB, etc. For instance, I suspect all this QB platoon stuff is a smokescreen. Lake knows who his starting QB will be.
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There is zero advantage to a team not knowing who your quarterback is going to be. Zero. What, the defensive coordinator is supposed to say, "Take today off, Boys, Joey Jerkoff won the starting job!"? The four QBs in the competition have a combined two FBS pass attempts. How would the opponent even know how to interpret one QB competition winner vs. another? If Lake knows who his QB is and is just fucking around, it's not for Cal, it's for trying to juggle butthurt feelings to keep at least two of them around next year.TTJ said:The offense could indeed suck this year. But it’s easy to over-interpret these scrimmage results, for at least two reasons.
First, defense always dominate offense in the preseason. That’s just the natural order of things. The only exception I can recall was in 2000, when UW returned a senior QB (Marques, its greatest ever), a dominating OL, an All-American TE, and a stable of RBs. That offense lit up the D in the spring game and throughout fall camp. But there’s been nothing like it in the twenty years since.
Second, Lake has outright admitted he’s playing things very close to the vest this preseason. He doesn’t want Cal to know anything about the scheme, the starting QB, etc. For instance, I suspect all this QB platoon stuff is a smokescreen. Lake knows who his starting QB will be.
Again, the offense could suck. But I’m LIPO-ing.
As for keeping the rest of the scheme close to his vest, what's the purpose of that in a close scrimmage? I guess it's possible, but I'd think he's smart enough to know that it's way more important that your players can actually execute and understand the system than it is to keep the opponent from seeing it for one whole game. Passing up 240 minutes of live scrimmaging in a shortened offseason ahead of a shortened season out of fear of your genius system that will blow the world away like Magnum will leak out into the world would be pure folly.
I'm not buying it. Secretive, sure. Hence closed scrimmages/camp. Unnecessarily taking reps from your starting QB and dumbing down the offense in a way that hinders the starters' ability to learn it? No way. Not a year after seeing the last late QB competition blow up in everyone's faces. -
I have wondered myself why the defenses are so piss poor. I think the narrative is that it’s the weirdness of 2020. However, there was a lot of attrition on that side of the ball for the SEC while the offenses are loaded.AtomicDawg said:
Are we going to have the one defense in college football that does not have major lapses and executes at a high level? I doubt it.Tequilla said:You're likely looking at very conservative playing calling, running the football often, playing field position, and playing to the strength of the defense.
They will be better than most but many of the top programs are struggling with this in 2020.
Would love to be wrong but the truth is we don’t have a Qb and we hired some that gives no reason to think we would be able develop one. An asst to the running back coach at a shit franchise ffs.
This program has talent but lake is in so far over his head it’s embarrassing.
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I think the offense will suck at times and we will have QB issues, but agree about not reading too much into a scrimmage.TTJ said:The offense could indeed suck this year. But it’s easy to over-interpret these scrimmage results, for at least two reasons.
First, defense always dominate offense in the preseason. That’s just the natural order of things. The only exception I can recall was in 2000, when UW returned a senior QB (Marques, its greatest ever), a dominating OL, an All-American TE, and a stable of RBs. That offense lit up the D in the spring game and throughout fall camp. But there’s been nothing like it in the twenty years since.
Second, Lake has outright admitted he’s playing things very close to the vest this preseason. He doesn’t want Cal to know anything about the scheme, the starting QB, etc. For instance, I suspect all this QB platoon stuff is a smokescreen. Lake knows who his starting QB will be.
Again, the offense could suck. But I’m LIPO-ing. -
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
I don't think Jen would give him that long, but he'll get at least 1-2 more years than he deserves. This is the way.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
He's black. That gets him two more years.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
I'll give this guy a month. Brian Schottenheimer had a meh resume and the Seehawk offense is way better than Bevell's. After that though, bring on the fire the o.c. from the Lazy Boy brigade.
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If he went 3-4 followed by 4-8, I would hope he would get fired. I’m pretty sure he would get a third year tho.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
Guaranteed he would get a third year. And if he went 6 - 6 in year three they'd give him an extension for "righting the ship." Black coaches only get the most downtrodden programs, you know.RoadDawg55 said:
If he went 3-4 followed by 4-8, I would hope he would get fired. I’m pretty sure he would get a third year tho.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing. -
What's funny is that black HC's have been at Texas, Texas A&M, Miami, Florida St., Notre Dame, Penn St., Oregon, UW, Stanford, UCLA in the last 20 years. All programs that have had top 5 finishes or had shots at a national title in the last 20 years. (Maybe not UCLA)BleachedAnusDawg said:
Guaranteed he would get a third year. And if he went 6 - 6 in year three they'd give him an extension for "righting the ship." Black coaches only get the most downtrodden programs, you know.RoadDawg55 said:
If he went 3-4 followed by 4-8, I would hope he would get fired. I’m pretty sure he would get a third year tho.DerekJohnson said:
Jimmy will be here 5-10 years unless he goes 3-9 and even then it's no sure thingTequilla said:
Which is a fireable offensesonics1993 said:
I wouldn’t put it all on the OC hire. He made plenty of other mistakes. If this team doesn’t win this year then expect the 2022 recruiting class to be average at best.Gladstone said:jimmy wanted 4 preseason games just like the nfl
his O is averaging 10ppg lol
people forget it now but lake had tons of momentum and enthusiasm after he was hired and retained the recruiting class. one OC hire completely sabotaged the entire thing.
Those are great jobs with great resources.
