UCSB Shooting...
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He killed the first three with a knife...CuntWaffle said:It isn't his fault. If he didn't have a gun he wouldn't have killed anyone. Guns always send these batshit crazy assholes over the top.
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So let me get this straight - to support your made-up quip about the highest homicide rates being in countries where it is illegal to own guns you post a UNODC image showing homicide rates and then an AMMOLAND graphic citing "Small Arms Survey 2007"...d2d said:
The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."Mad_Son said:
You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.
Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
First you don't provide info about gun legality.
Second you ignore the whole point and just jump from insane people going on shooting rampages to overall homicides.
Third your gun information is from some completely random, clearly biased source.
Fourth you ignore the fact that we're trying to talk about developed countries here (as evidenced by the actual facts provided in the satire article I posted). It is sad that you try and compare America to Uganda and Colombia really tells me you have a skewed sense of who America's peers are. Why do you hate America?
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I didn't know the homicide rates in Syria, Iraq and Egypt were less than 3 people per 100,000. Or is just that your maps don't include the martyrdom rates in the legend?d2d said:
The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."Mad_Son said:
You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.
Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1... -
Also, 2010oregonblitzkrieg said:
I didn't know the homicide rates in Syria, Iraq and Egypt were less than 3 people per 100,000. Or is just that your maps don't include the martyrdom rates in the legend?d2d said:
The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."Mad_Son said:
You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.
Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
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The 2nd amendment is intended to give citizens a tool to defend themselves from enemies both foreign and domestic. Especially domestic. No gun control or any bullshit will keep what happened yesterday from happening. That kid was under the care of 2 mental health professionals, his parents told the cops he was nuts, the cops did fuck all. The doctors did fuck all. Now it's time for the incident to become the latest outrage of the day where we can say the politicians have to "do something" which will include rolling over and giving up rights that won't make a difference to solve this problem. As the cops become more militarized, the easiest way to violate our 4th amendment rights is to take away our 2nd amendment rights.
I don't even own a gun and I likely will never hunt for sport, but if I need a gun, a better god damn well better be able to get one. Fuck you, fuck me, fuck everyone. -
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
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So let me get this straight, statistics and facts are beaten by...Mad_Son said:
So let me get this straight - to support your made-up quip about the highest homicide rates being in countries where it is illegal to own guns you post a UNODC image showing homicide rates and then an AMMOLAND graphic citing "Small Arms Survey 2007"...d2d said:
The Onion: "‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens."Mad_Son said:
You and CollegeDouche never could HANDLE THE TRUTH. The highest homicide rates are in countries where it is illegal for citizens to own guns.
Here comes the spin, in 3, 2, 1...
First you don't provide info about gun legality.
Second you ignore the whole point and just jump from insane people going on shooting rampages to overall homicides.
Third your gun information is from some completely random, clearly biased source.
Fourth you ignore the fact that we're trying to talk about developed countries here (as evidenced by the actual facts provided in the satire article I posted). It is sad that you try and compare America to Uganda and Colombia really tells me you have a skewed sense of who America's peers are. Why do you hate America?
wait for it...
The Onion?
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And for those who like to parse Constitutional language, I ask which phrase appears first in the Constitution/Bill of Rights:Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
"... Separation of church and state..."
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"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..." -
OH OH, I KNOW THIS ONE...GrundleStiltzkin said:
And for those who like to parse Constitutional language, I ask which phrase appears first in the Constitution/Bill of Rights:Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
"... Separation of church and state..."
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"... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed..."
The First Amendment doesn't say anything about separation of Church and State. Here it is...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
The Second Amendment is about tyranny, not hunting. Might I be defending myself against a "well regulated militia" (armed by the State) some day?
It's happened before, right after the King of England ordered civilians to surrender their weapons.
So much for Gun-Free-Zones. History is such a Muther Fucker. -
The Democrat Solution...
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I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
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If only those sorority girls and his roommates had a .45 attached to their hip. I never go anywhere without my 1911.
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Can we start talking about knife and vehicle regulation too? Just as many died by the blade as the chamber in this incident and a bunch of people were injured getting hit by the vehicle.
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Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
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Can't we just start talking X's and O's ?!!CuntWaffle said:Can we start talking about knife and vehicle regulation too? Just as many died by the blade as the chamber in this incident and a bunch of people were injured getting hit by the vehicle.
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HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
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Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns. -
... on the street, from your lathe, or from the store?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
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Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns. -
If somebody was motivated to spend 15 seconds on internet research, it would be easy to find outMikeDamone said:
Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it. -
Finally...sarktastic said:
If somebody was motivated to spend 15 seconds on internet research, it would be easy to find outMikeDamone said:
Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it. -
Yea but still.sarktastic said:
If somebody was motivated to spend 15 seconds on internet research, it would be easy to find outMikeDamone said:
Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns.
The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it. -
Never said it did, I guess I missed something...MikeDamone said:
Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns. -
You said "it does have to do with gun laws". I guess I assumed you were responding to the topic that was being discussed.PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Never said it did, I guess I missed something...MikeDamone said:
Good Christ. The term "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with gun regulations. For fucks sake. Is this a whoosh?PostGameOrangeSlices said:
Just to play devil's advocate, it does have to do with gun laws (though guns aren't the problem)MikeDamone said:
HINT : It has nothing to do with that or gun laws. The fact you think it has to do with gun laws and regulation speaks volumes. Not just on this topic, but all the others you chimed in on.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
Well, it probably doesn't mean the insane can go buy weapons fairly easily.MikeDamone said:
I don't think you know what "well regulated" means. Or maybe you're whooshing us.Fire_Marshall_Bill said:
The NRA and gun nuts always get amnesia when it comes to the "well regulated" part.HuskyJW said:I would just like to go on record to say that while I support the 2nd Amendment....I am against supporting the rights of the 2nd Amendment.
It needs to be more difficult to get guns. -
I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.
One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB. -
Legalizing drugs and prostitution are long term solutions for a lot of this cuntry's problems...priapism said:I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.
One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.
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It's not even 20 - 100k. It's less tha 10k. A large % of those are over drugs and/or are gang related.priapism said:I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.
One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB. -
LOL...like those bitches could handle a .45RoadDawg55 said:
If only those sorority girls and his roommates had a .45 attached to their hip. I never go anywhere without my 1911.
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The biggest chunk of gun related deaths is suicide. Then the chunk left over about 70-80% are gang related.MikeDamone said:
It's not even 20 - 100k. It's less tha 10k. A large % of those are over drugs and/or are gang related.priapism said:I'll take gun rights and take 20K-100K murders in the U.S. every year vs the next dictator purge which could possibly bein the 1 billion+ range. IMO, I think the next sociopathic dictator from a major power will be it for humanity. I'm not worried about guns, but worried about the various new WMDs which every country in the world will probably have within the next 100 years.
One short term solution to reduce murders is to legalize weed nationwide and the murder rate could possibly drop 5-20%. Legalizing prostitution in California might have just saved 6 lives around UCSB.
But when some rich completely psychotic kid shoots a few people is the only time you hear the issue come up. From 1980 to 2008 mass shootings accumulated for 1% of all total gun deaths in that time frame.
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