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They believe the opposite of that. You are a russian bot spewing #bothsides hatred.Tequilla said:
That's absolute and total bullshitPitchfork51 said:
The left has now made "both sides" a meme. So you are the enemy to them.Tequilla said:
Definitely not interested in a pissing match on which side is more righteous than the other at this pointSFGbob said:
Both sides may be rotten but I've yet to see the GOP do anything as sleazy and dishonest as what the Rats did to Kavanaugh. There is zero integrity on the left there is some among conservatives.Tequilla said:Fair warning, sizeable rant coming ...
I was talking with my Dad last night and he made a great point regarding disinformation and that being that if you're accused of something that is pure BS, how do you defend yourself against it? In the end, it's a he said she said type situation right?
And in a nutshell, this is a large contributing factor to why our country is so fucked right now ...
Politics in general is more corrupt than it has ever been. There was a documentary on HBO titled "The Swamp" that I think just came out that wasn't super enlightening from a "I can't believe this happens" to having a better understand of how prevalent and how easily veiled threats basically result in the parties controlling everything. It's why we have the polarized party lines and really not a ton of bipartisan activities.
When you think about things in those terms, it makes someone like Biden as a (frontrunner) Presidential candidate make a ton of sense. It isn't about Biden at this point. It's about having someone that runs that can be completely controlled by the party insiders.
The PACs are beyond out of control and the influence of big money in politics creates a blatant conflict of interest. Roll everything up and it's so easy to understand the whole thing is rotting at its core.
And let me be clear, the rotting isn't from one side or the other. Both sides are rotted and the reality is that the primary difference is that it's just different game plans and execution traits.
Reality at this point is nobody knows what to believe. It's all about pollution of news and information to confuse. We jump on what we see in social media but it's almost always lacking in context and full of people trying to catch people in gotcha moments designed to distort reality. Actual journalism and reporting of truth is largely gone. News networks are really just political propaganda arms on both sides.
TL, DR version = we're fucked
My point is that there's issues on both sides and part of the problem right now is that both sides are really quick to blame the other side for all the problems. It's not accurate. Both sides in various forms have massive warts.
I would tend to agree with you that I think that right has a little more integrity left to them at this point. But I'm also not going to default to some kind of illusions that the problems are all on one side ... just not reality.
Things are never as good as they seem ... never as bad as they seem
Our political environment is not because one side has completely fucked everything over and the other is pristine and beyond approach.
The reality is that I'd argue that the last President that we had that was widely viewed positively by both sides of the aisle was Reagan ... and he left office over 30 years ago. Before that? Probably going back to Ike? Nixon won in a landslide ... and we know how that all worked out. We've been largely void of strong leaders for a while and desperately need one again.
It'd be great to have a slam dunk candidate ... the partisanship is rotting the country
Dont shoot the messenger. -
Who is "they" ... assuming you're talking about DemocratsPitchfork51 said:
They believe the opposite of that. You are a russian bot spewing #bothsides hatred.Tequilla said:
That's absolute and total bullshitPitchfork51 said:
The left has now made "both sides" a meme. So you are the enemy to them.Tequilla said:
Definitely not interested in a pissing match on which side is more righteous than the other at this pointSFGbob said:
Both sides may be rotten but I've yet to see the GOP do anything as sleazy and dishonest as what the Rats did to Kavanaugh. There is zero integrity on the left there is some among conservatives.Tequilla said:Fair warning, sizeable rant coming ...
I was talking with my Dad last night and he made a great point regarding disinformation and that being that if you're accused of something that is pure BS, how do you defend yourself against it? In the end, it's a he said she said type situation right?
And in a nutshell, this is a large contributing factor to why our country is so fucked right now ...
Politics in general is more corrupt than it has ever been. There was a documentary on HBO titled "The Swamp" that I think just came out that wasn't super enlightening from a "I can't believe this happens" to having a better understand of how prevalent and how easily veiled threats basically result in the parties controlling everything. It's why we have the polarized party lines and really not a ton of bipartisan activities.
When you think about things in those terms, it makes someone like Biden as a (frontrunner) Presidential candidate make a ton of sense. It isn't about Biden at this point. It's about having someone that runs that can be completely controlled by the party insiders.
The PACs are beyond out of control and the influence of big money in politics creates a blatant conflict of interest. Roll everything up and it's so easy to understand the whole thing is rotting at its core.
And let me be clear, the rotting isn't from one side or the other. Both sides are rotted and the reality is that the primary difference is that it's just different game plans and execution traits.
Reality at this point is nobody knows what to believe. It's all about pollution of news and information to confuse. We jump on what we see in social media but it's almost always lacking in context and full of people trying to catch people in gotcha moments designed to distort reality. Actual journalism and reporting of truth is largely gone. News networks are really just political propaganda arms on both sides.
TL, DR version = we're fucked
My point is that there's issues on both sides and part of the problem right now is that both sides are really quick to blame the other side for all the problems. It's not accurate. Both sides in various forms have massive warts.
I would tend to agree with you that I think that right has a little more integrity left to them at this point. But I'm also not going to default to some kind of illusions that the problems are all on one side ... just not reality.
Things are never as good as they seem ... never as bad as they seem
Our political environment is not because one side has completely fucked everything over and the other is pristine and beyond approach.
The reality is that I'd argue that the last President that we had that was widely viewed positively by both sides of the aisle was Reagan ... and he left office over 30 years ago. Before that? Probably going back to Ike? Nixon won in a landslide ... and we know how that all worked out. We've been largely void of strong leaders for a while and desperately need one again.
It'd be great to have a slam dunk candidate ... the partisanship is rotting the country
Dont shoot the messenger.
I listen to what they say ... and I disagree with the vast majority of what they say for many reasons
Just because I disagree with what the Democrats say doesn't mean that I'm going to buy everything that a Republican says as being right and just ... there's a lot of things that I see from the Republican side of things where the stance that they take on positions isn't one that I would take
I'll take the fact that I'm a "Russian Bot" as a complement -
Sounds like you’re voting Democrat again but, you’re not happy about it!!!Tequilla said:
Who is "they" ... assuming you're talking about DemocratsPitchfork51 said:
They believe the opposite of that. You are a russian bot spewing #bothsides hatred.Tequilla said:
That's absolute and total bullshitPitchfork51 said:
The left has now made "both sides" a meme. So you are the enemy to them.Tequilla said:
Definitely not interested in a pissing match on which side is more righteous than the other at this pointSFGbob said:
Both sides may be rotten but I've yet to see the GOP do anything as sleazy and dishonest as what the Rats did to Kavanaugh. There is zero integrity on the left there is some among conservatives.Tequilla said:Fair warning, sizeable rant coming ...
I was talking with my Dad last night and he made a great point regarding disinformation and that being that if you're accused of something that is pure BS, how do you defend yourself against it? In the end, it's a he said she said type situation right?
And in a nutshell, this is a large contributing factor to why our country is so fucked right now ...
Politics in general is more corrupt than it has ever been. There was a documentary on HBO titled "The Swamp" that I think just came out that wasn't super enlightening from a "I can't believe this happens" to having a better understand of how prevalent and how easily veiled threats basically result in the parties controlling everything. It's why we have the polarized party lines and really not a ton of bipartisan activities.
When you think about things in those terms, it makes someone like Biden as a (frontrunner) Presidential candidate make a ton of sense. It isn't about Biden at this point. It's about having someone that runs that can be completely controlled by the party insiders.
The PACs are beyond out of control and the influence of big money in politics creates a blatant conflict of interest. Roll everything up and it's so easy to understand the whole thing is rotting at its core.
And let me be clear, the rotting isn't from one side or the other. Both sides are rotted and the reality is that the primary difference is that it's just different game plans and execution traits.
Reality at this point is nobody knows what to believe. It's all about pollution of news and information to confuse. We jump on what we see in social media but it's almost always lacking in context and full of people trying to catch people in gotcha moments designed to distort reality. Actual journalism and reporting of truth is largely gone. News networks are really just political propaganda arms on both sides.
TL, DR version = we're fucked
My point is that there's issues on both sides and part of the problem right now is that both sides are really quick to blame the other side for all the problems. It's not accurate. Both sides in various forms have massive warts.
I would tend to agree with you that I think that right has a little more integrity left to them at this point. But I'm also not going to default to some kind of illusions that the problems are all on one side ... just not reality.
Things are never as good as they seem ... never as bad as they seem
Our political environment is not because one side has completely fucked everything over and the other is pristine and beyond approach.
The reality is that I'd argue that the last President that we had that was widely viewed positively by both sides of the aisle was Reagan ... and he left office over 30 years ago. Before that? Probably going back to Ike? Nixon won in a landslide ... and we know how that all worked out. We've been largely void of strong leaders for a while and desperately need one again.
It'd be great to have a slam dunk candidate ... the partisanship is rotting the country
Dont shoot the messenger.
I listen to what they say ... and I disagree with the vast majority of what they say for many reasons
Just because I disagree with what the Democrats say doesn't mean that I'm going to buy everything that a Republican says as being right and just ... there's a lot of things that I see from the Republican side of things where the stance that they take on positions isn't one that I would take
I'll take the fact that I'm a "Russian Bot" as a complement -
TDS and typhus have a way of seeping into the voting booth.doogie said:
Sounds like you’re voting Democrat again but, you’re not happy about it!!!Tequilla said:
Who is "they" ... assuming you're talking about DemocratsPitchfork51 said:
They believe the opposite of that. You are a russian bot spewing #bothsides hatred.Tequilla said:
That's absolute and total bullshitPitchfork51 said:
The left has now made "both sides" a meme. So you are the enemy to them.Tequilla said:
Definitely not interested in a pissing match on which side is more righteous than the other at this pointSFGbob said:
Both sides may be rotten but I've yet to see the GOP do anything as sleazy and dishonest as what the Rats did to Kavanaugh. There is zero integrity on the left there is some among conservatives.Tequilla said:Fair warning, sizeable rant coming ...
I was talking with my Dad last night and he made a great point regarding disinformation and that being that if you're accused of something that is pure BS, how do you defend yourself against it? In the end, it's a he said she said type situation right?
And in a nutshell, this is a large contributing factor to why our country is so fucked right now ...
Politics in general is more corrupt than it has ever been. There was a documentary on HBO titled "The Swamp" that I think just came out that wasn't super enlightening from a "I can't believe this happens" to having a better understand of how prevalent and how easily veiled threats basically result in the parties controlling everything. It's why we have the polarized party lines and really not a ton of bipartisan activities.
When you think about things in those terms, it makes someone like Biden as a (frontrunner) Presidential candidate make a ton of sense. It isn't about Biden at this point. It's about having someone that runs that can be completely controlled by the party insiders.
The PACs are beyond out of control and the influence of big money in politics creates a blatant conflict of interest. Roll everything up and it's so easy to understand the whole thing is rotting at its core.
And let me be clear, the rotting isn't from one side or the other. Both sides are rotted and the reality is that the primary difference is that it's just different game plans and execution traits.
Reality at this point is nobody knows what to believe. It's all about pollution of news and information to confuse. We jump on what we see in social media but it's almost always lacking in context and full of people trying to catch people in gotcha moments designed to distort reality. Actual journalism and reporting of truth is largely gone. News networks are really just political propaganda arms on both sides.
TL, DR version = we're fucked
My point is that there's issues on both sides and part of the problem right now is that both sides are really quick to blame the other side for all the problems. It's not accurate. Both sides in various forms have massive warts.
I would tend to agree with you that I think that right has a little more integrity left to them at this point. But I'm also not going to default to some kind of illusions that the problems are all on one side ... just not reality.
Things are never as good as they seem ... never as bad as they seem
Our political environment is not because one side has completely fucked everything over and the other is pristine and beyond approach.
The reality is that I'd argue that the last President that we had that was widely viewed positively by both sides of the aisle was Reagan ... and he left office over 30 years ago. Before that? Probably going back to Ike? Nixon won in a landslide ... and we know how that all worked out. We've been largely void of strong leaders for a while and desperately need one again.
It'd be great to have a slam dunk candidate ... the partisanship is rotting the country
Dont shoot the messenger.
I listen to what they say ... and I disagree with the vast majority of what they say for many reasons
Just because I disagree with what the Democrats say doesn't mean that I'm going to buy everything that a Republican says as being right and just ... there's a lot of things that I see from the Republican side of things where the stance that they take on positions isn't one that I would take
I'll take the fact that I'm a "Russian Bot" as a complement
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This is quite a meltdown here.
It looks like the Project Lincoln republicans might be the Democrats you guys hate so much. They seem pretty good at what they do.
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The useful idiots like the Project Lincoln swamp people provide misinformation to be used by the MSM to delude other useful idiots. Deluding useful idiots is exactly rocket science.dflea said:This is quite a meltdown here.
It looks like the Project Lincoln republicans might be the Democrats you guys hate so much. They seem pretty good at what they do. -
"Who is "they" ... assuming you're talking about Democrats
I listen to what they say ... and I disagree with the vast majority of what they say for many reasons
Just because I disagree with what the Democrats say doesn't mean that I'm going to buy everything that a Republican says as being right and just ... there's a lot of things that I see from the Republican side of things where the stance that they take on positions isn't one that I would take
I'll take the fact that I'm a "Russian Bot" as a complement"
You would also take your love of ass phucking strawmen as a compliment. Who here buys everything that a Republican says as being right and just? Give us three things, out of a "lot", that Republicans take on a position is one that you disagree with? Don't hurt yourself. -
This is exactly what the ‘hold my nose but vote For Democrats” line of logic always is
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Brit Hume says you’re full of shit.NorthwestFresh said:NeverTrumper Griffin has imaginary “unimpeachable” sources.
Meanwhile almost a dozen people with Trump that day are now on record saying they didn’t hear him say it. Fake News has zero credibility. -
Brit Hume heard him say it?
Wow!
Did he add any context to what he saw??
Was Brit the only person there? Why won’t he out the others???? -
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We all think he said the things that have been reported. Why not just admit you don’t care?
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We don’t all think that you fucknut. Stop telling us what we think. Shitdick.HHusky said:We all think he said the things that have been reported. Why not just admit you don’t care?
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This is such a non story. All of Trump's actions show he is a huge supporter of our Veterans.
I don't believe he said it, just checked CNN confirming the story by a former senior official in their headline, read the article, what do you know another anonymous former senior official.
It's crazy to me how the left just says shit with no basis in reality and repeats the lie over and over and over and people start to accept it as truth.
Trump has more film on him during his lifetime than any other public official. All he's done his entire career is stay consistent in his messaging of America first, hang out with super models, kick it with black people in clubs and music videos.
And now, after a lifetime of being on tape, you're trying to tell me he's a Russian asset and is the most racist man on earth? -
The boy who cried wolf thinks this is over the top
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There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
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False. It makes no sense.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
Just like in your mind Trump said All mexican immigrants are rapists. Headline reads, "Trump Calls Mexicans Rapists and Murders". But that's not what he said, at all.
Trump cares about the USA military deeply. I know this because of his actions. How he's helped the VA, his unflinching demand of respect for the flag and monuments. His belief in American exceptionalism. Decades on the record calling America the greatest country with the greatest people and greatest soldiers. -
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
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I saw zero confirmation in the articles concerning the original claim. None. And what she is "affirming" is also highly suspect.
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He has no core beliefs. But that’s beside the point. If you’re telling me that you think the story is more likely false than true, I think you’re more likely lying than telling the truth.Doogles said:
False. It makes no sense.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
Just like in your mind Trump said All mexican immigrants are rapists. Headline reads, "Trump Calls Mexicans Rapists and Murders". But that's not what he said, at all.
Trump cares about the USA military deeply. I know this because of his actions. How he's helped the VA, his unflinching demand of respect for the flag and monuments. His belief in American exceptionalism. Decades on the record calling America the greatest country with the greatest people and greatest soldiers.
An honest answer would be, “I wouldn’t change my vote even if he admitted to saying those vile, unpatriotic things.” -
“Media” as a monolith is your excuse? What will it be when someone does go on the record?USMChawk said:
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
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You deny believing her?Sledog said:I saw zero confirmation in the articles concerning the original claim. None. And what she is "affirming" is also highly suspect.
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You'd think they'd be front and center at this point.HHusky said:
“Media” as a monolith is your excuse? What will it be when someone does go on the record?USMChawk said:
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
You swallowed the whole Ukraine phone call, whistle blower, Vindman sham like a 5 dollar ho!
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The “sham” that a majority of the US Senate agreed had been proven?Sledog said:
You'd think they'd be front and center at this point.HHusky said:
“Media” as a monolith is your excuse? What will it be when someone does go on the record?USMChawk said:
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
You swallowed the whole Ukraine phone call, whistle blower, Vindman sham like a 5 dollar ho! -
If Trump did half the things he’s been accused of we’d have a smoking gun. We don’t. Instead it’s always unnamed sources. I need evidence, not accusations.HHusky said:
“Media” as a monolith is your excuse? What will it be when someone does go on the record?USMChawk said:
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
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He’s done most of the things he’s been accused of. Your demands for proof beyond any metaphysical doubt is noted.USMChawk said:
If Trump did half the things he’s been accused of we’d have a smoking gun. We don’t. Instead it’s always unnamed sources. I need evidence, not accusations.HHusky said:
“Media” as a monolith is your excuse? What will it be when someone does go on the record?USMChawk said:
So we should believe a media that has been caught in lie after lie? Your admonishment rings hollow.HHusky said:There isn’t even one among you who wouldn’t bet the proposition that the story is true if forced to choose. Your lies are all for show.
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Evidence like a video press conference of VP Biden openly interfering with a foreign fraud investigation of his unqualified cocaine addicted son for a Board slot on an energy company?
or evidence like a coordinated hit piece from a compromised enemy sighting “unnamed sources” as confirmed?
