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Swaye said:

creepycoug said:

SFGbob said:

I was a liberal up until the early 1990s. LA riots and the inherent contradictions and dishonesty on the left drove me out of the party. 1994 Republican take over of the House, along with the endless string of lies the Rats told us regarding what would happen if the GOP passed Welfare reform cemented the door for me to ever return to the Rat party.

I was looking for solutions and for things that worked and the left had no interest in either of those. They didn't care if Welfare made things worse or had no impact at all. Read Charles Murray, Losing Ground while I was still nominally a Rat, that had a huge influence on moving me to the right. I still voted for Clinton in 1992, after being interested in Perot but that was the last time I voted for a Rat.

Bill was a pretty conservative liberal, particularly on crime. Too bad he turned out to be such a POS.

I'm a pretty conservative dude, even back then, but I didn't loathe all of Bills politics. Pretty middle of the road old school Dem. And while it got contentious, him and Newt actually worked out pretty well together. It was no Dutch and Tip, but it worked, Way better than the massive dysfunction since then. The Trump and Pelosi combo is about as embarrassing as anything can get in governance.

Except guns Bill didn't screw shit up just to be liberal. HE's a complete POS and his wife makes him look like a choir boy but he didn't try and destroy democracy like Obunghole.

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Don't hold your breath. H is twee-as-fuck. Probably had a "visualize whirled peas" bumper sticker before he covered it with Co-Exist.

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

Swaye said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

So how does it work then that Trump took over, immediately deregulated, and the unemployment rate was the lowest we've seen in 50 years while business boomed?

Unemployment was already declining and business had been getting better in an uninterrupted fashion for five years. Low unemployment, btw, was largely a function of demographics and labor scarcity, which was already threatening recession before the pandemic ever hit. (The current recession began in February, btw, which isn't well explained by Covid.)

Swaye said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

True, who can forget about well capitalism works in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, or the Soviet Union. Capitalism thrives in regulation!!!

I am dumbfounded at this guy. I also beat you by 53 seconds. "Heavy regulation is the engine of growth!" - said no economist ever

Sure, obviously when I said regulation is necessary I was advocating criminalizing private industry, said no MBA ever.

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

True, who can forget about well capitalism works in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, or the Soviet Union. Capitalism thrives in regulation!!!

I am dumbfounded at this guy. I also beat you by 53 seconds. "Heavy regulation is the engine of growth!" - said no economist ever

Sure, obviously when I said regulation is necessary I was advocating criminalizing private industry, said no MBA ever.

You should actually listen to the people you vote for

You first.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

TurdBomber said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Don't hold your breath. H is twee-as-fuck. Probably had a "visualize whirled peas" bumper sticker before he covered it with Co-Exist.

chinned for "twee"

Twee is the upper-limit for H's attempts at humor. And that's being generous.

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

And by "barely taxed" the Dazzler is referring to tax rate of 25%.

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

RaceBannon said:

HHusky said:

Swaye said:

Houhusky said:

HHusky said:

creepycoug said:

HHusky said:

pawz said:

HHusky said:

Time to suggest equal time for the other side?

Absolutely. Our kids NEED to know how capitalism raises entire societies out of poverty better than any other system - AINEC.

Capitalism doesn't raise entire societies out of poverty. Capitalism's biggest fans don't make that argument. Didn't any of you girls take any economics courses?

Anyway, the converse of Black Lives Matter is that they don't.

Then what does?

And, in fact capitalism’s biggest fans, indeed even its intellectual antithesis, say otherwise. Even Marx acknowledged capitalism’s unique ability to reduce and often entirely limit, scarcity.

Interested in your serious response here.

Regulated capitalism with progressive taxation can do it, but that's not what the TugCon universe is preaching. Unregulated, barely taxed capitalism is their ideal, and that does NOT lift "entire societies out of poverty". As every economist worth a damn knows, unregulated capitalism explodes like a diesel engine without a governor.

The funny thing is, the die hard anarcho-capitalists here think capitalism is fragile. But capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives. It does so because it is vital and it can harness human motivations to increase wealth for a society, but not without taking its classic problems into account as well.

True, who can forget about well capitalism works in countries like North Korea, Venezuela, Cuba, Zimbabwe, or the Soviet Union. Capitalism thrives in regulation!!!

I am dumbfounded at this guy. I also beat you by 53 seconds. "Heavy regulation is the engine of growth!" - said no economist ever

Sure, obviously when I said regulation is necessary I was advocating criminalizing private industry, said no MBA ever.

You should actually listen to the people you vote for

You first.

I love a booming economy. That's why I voted for Trump

Biden's ban on fracking alone is an economy killer

Despite it being a regulation

One of the classic economic problems with the free market, identified by the most pro-capitalist econ faculty you can ever imagine--the UW econ and business faculty of the 1970s--is externalities. What, besides no regulation on fracking at all, are you advocating?

There is nothing on earth that cant be regulated into the ground under the justification of "externality".... But that wasn't what you originally said...

Maybe try again without the general "capitalism doesn't whither in the presence of regulation; it thrives."

Here Ill do it for you... "Capitalism requires a delicate balance of free market individual liberty working in conjunction with regulation mostly around monopolies, individual property rights, and intellectual property. There are some cases where healthy debate and small regulations around specific, and limited, externalities should be implemented via the established legal process due to the particularly unbounded definition of externality and historical propensity of the State to collect power."

If you are just inarticulately trying to say; "big business loves big government" I agree... but I dont think that is what you are saying...