More riots to come

Here's what can happen letting people reach in cars:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BZkxLQ6zlk

incremetal_progress said:

LoneStarDawg said:

incremetal_progress said:

LoneStarDawg said:

Things are at a point people think they don’t have to listen to police.

Who knows what was happening before this clip started but that was like 5-6 steps and entering a vehicle against their screaming orders.

You've moved on from providing real data and context on covid in Texas as the pandemic ends to pointing out the societal mess we have on our hands .

Crispened you insufferable cunt

Whats the deal with lefts replacing logic and facts with hyperbole and inflated words.

As it ends? You were claiming the spike in Texas wasn't so bad more than a month ago. Now deaths are approaching 12K and will likely be 15K soon because of the spike you said wasn't a big deal.

TurdBomber said:

Bendintheriver said:

I am conflicted. That looks like a gun and probably was but I don't understand why they couldn't take the man down with force while he was walking around. Shooting anyone at this point in time should be a last resort. At the same time I don't understand why people don't obey the law when given direction. My common sense tells me that if I resist arrest and then reach in my vehicle for a gun I should expect to get killed.

@incremental_progress and his ilk are children. They expect the perfect Disney ending to every story, or else they join the tantrum throwing rioters screaming "murder, murder, murder!!" @incremetal_progress is incapable of understanding the "it's me or him" thoughts that may be going through a cop's mind in that split second, and the why questions? Forget it. Guys like @incremental_progress will never answer that question because no matter what the suspect does, authoritarians like @incremental_progress believe there's always a proverbial "right answer" laying right in front of every cop, where, like a superhero in a Disney movie, the cop always has and chooses the perfect course of conduct to neutralize the suspect without any harm, to anyone.

Someday, @incremetal_progress's balls will drop and he'll realize the real world doesn't work that way.

I'm not looking for a storybook fucking ending. I'm looking for the police to not shoot a guy 7 times in the fucking back.

If they need shooting it doesn't matter where you shoot them. HTH

thechatch said:

Can we get some context?

Shot 8 times in the back at close range in front of his kids he better have been reaching for a gun or this is indefensible.

If he was told to stop and not reach into the car and to show is hands and he refused to do so do the police have to wait for him to grab a gun and start shooting before they can shoot?

We have no way of knowing what transpired before this, did he break free from the cops when they were trying to arrest him and then run around the car and open his door? If that's the case, fuck him.

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

This can create a problem where cops might get physical too early, but I'd rather see a cop get physical too early, then becoming deadly by acting too late. Sometimes, acting early not only saves their lives, but also the suspect's life.

greenblood said:

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?

incremetal_progress said:

Bendintheriver said:

I think what incremental is trying to say is that he has no problem with police officers losing their lives.

Am I mistaken, was it Jacob Blake that fired 7 rounds into the cop's back?

No Jacob Blake ignored police commands and resisted and opened up a door and reached inside his vehicle when ordered not to do so. Are the cops supposed to wait until he turns around with a gun before shooting?

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?

Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.

He is pretty good sized and you don't know if he already resisted being cuffed. See the Atlanta Wendy's shooting. Btw, one of the three appears to be a woman. Should she be wrestling around with him too?

Sledog said:

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?

Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.

They'd be damned if they did that to. How about people follow LAWFUL orders from police whom you have NO RIGHT TO RESIST. How about normal fucking behavior? Is that so much to ask?

Apparently, if you are black - Yes.

incremetal_progress said:

LoneStarDawg said:

incremetal_progress said:

LoneStarDawg said:

Things are at a point people think they don’t have to listen to police.

Who knows what was happening before this clip started but that was like 5-6 steps and entering a vehicle against their screaming orders.

You've moved on from providing real data and context on covid in Texas as the pandemic ends to pointing out the societal mess we have on our hands .

Crispened you insufferable cunt

Whats the deal with lefts replacing logic and facts with hyperbole and inflated words.

As it ends? You were claiming the spike in Texas wasn't so bad more than a month ago. Now deaths are approaching 12K and will likely be 15K soon because of the spike you said wasn't a big deal.

TurdBomber said:

Bendintheriver said:

I am conflicted. That looks like a gun and probably was but I don't understand why they couldn't take the man down with force while he was walking around. Shooting anyone at this point in time should be a last resort. At the same time I don't understand why people don't obey the law when given direction. My common sense tells me that if I resist arrest and then reach in my vehicle for a gun I should expect to get killed.

@incremental_progress and his ilk are children. They expect the perfect Disney ending to every story, or else they join the tantrum throwing rioters screaming "murder, murder, murder!!" @incremetal_progress is incapable of understanding the "it's me or him" thoughts that may be going through a cop's mind in that split second, and the why questions? Forget it. Guys like @incremental_progress will never answer that question because no matter what the suspect does, authoritarians like @incremental_progress believe there's always a proverbial "right answer" laying right in front of every cop, where, like a superhero in a Disney movie, the cop always has and chooses the perfect course of conduct to neutralize the suspect without any harm, to anyone.

Someday, @incremetal_progress's balls will drop and he'll realize the real world doesn't work that way.

I'm not looking for a storybook fucking ending. I'm looking for the police to not shoot a guy 7 times in the fucking back.

Hang in there. Those balls should drop anyway now.

BearsWiin said:

This just in: Angry Simpleton HH Tryhards also Double as Rascist LawnOdor Bootlickers

Nothing funnier than a Liberal Zombie calling other people simpletons. And racist.

You actually have a college degree, @BearsWiin? Amazing.

greenblood said:

SFGbob said:

greenblood said:

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

How do you know they didn't wrestle with him prior to this?

Then they should have wrestled him down again, and from what I know it isn't illegal to temporarily restrain/cuff somebody. There's three of them, and the suspected wasn't huge, they should have been able to do it.

I dont disagree on the 20/20 hindsight earlier use of non lethal force but this is the result of police acceptable use of force being absolutely destroyed by politics...

If they taze, tackle him, cuff him on the ground before he walks to his car door, the headlines are about police tazing an unarmed black man on the sidewalk... They know they likely to get criminal hate crime charges, sued, lose their job, maybe jail time, probably their family, and no one will ever bring up the fact that their early use of force prevented him from getting shot while reaching into his vehicle (because it never happens). Im sure they have had regular training telling them to limit their physical confrontations right now.

It sure seems like there is no longer an understood hierarchy of acceptable use of force for various situations because ANY and ALL force is now pitched a racially motivated unacceptable force, instead of these incidents being cut off before they reach this point they are required to play out until the officer's personal self preservation takes precedent.

Racially: I am confident in saying I would have been shot in the same situation, reaching back into a car is no joke. But Im also confident in saying that I probably would have been tazed or physically apprehended sooner on account of my lack of ability to throw racial charges at the cops too.

A muddied acceptable use of force protocol, less than compliant (often encouraged) citizenry, and hesitation from officers is going to lead to more people dying, both citizens and officers.

TurdBomber said:

greenblood said:

The cops should have wrestled the guy down before he even reached the driver side door. It looks like the cops hesitated, then their options were limited. The guy shouldn't have resisted, but it looks like if the cops acted earlier the shooting could have been avoided.

This can create a problem where cops might get physical too early, but I'd rather see a cop get physical too early, then becoming deadly by acting too late. Sometimes, acting early not only saves their lives, but also the suspect's life.

Good reasoning, but not gonna work today, especially in the current environment. Cops gets "too rough" in front of a crowd of homies, and that's "escalation," not "de-escalation," so the cop becomes fair game at that point.

That's the mentality they're dealing with today.

In this current environment, early non lethal force helps the cops from possibly receiving a murder charge.