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Looks like California is closing
HHusky
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in Tug Tavern
a bunch of things that never reopened according to our resident Californians.
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I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
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Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.MelloDawg said:I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
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Are they?HHusky said:
Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.MelloDawg said:I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.
The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.
I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.
But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.
The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events. -
Great...so a lot of these Californian morons will be coming up north, ruining it for everybody. I'm still pissed our? governors don't just shutdown their borders. It's quite simple: stop any vehicle with an out of state license plate. If they can't prove they are essential, slap them with a $2,500 fine. If people arrive out of state through air, then force them into two weeks quarantine, just like Hawaii is doing. I for one think this is way overblown, but if shutting down the borders keeps the states open for the most part, I'm all for it. Nobody really wants Californians anyway.
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I could have missed it, but I'm not sure anyone said that the protests were conducive to the containment of COVID and, if you asked public health "experts," 100% of them would say it was a dumbfuck idea if you're trying to prevent spread. As such, they'd probably agree with you that the uptick is because of those protests. The people that protested thought that social justice and racial equality demonstrations superseded the chance they could get COVID, just like the kids who went to go party for spring break and Memorial Day thought the same. Neither was correct.Tequilla said:
Are they?HHusky said:
Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.MelloDawg said:I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.
The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.
I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.
But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.
The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
I'd agree your metrics are probably the real way we should be looking at this, but they'll make the argument that more cases leads to more hospitalization leads to full ICU beds leads to deaths.
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Boy I wish we had something to protest about so we could put the Vid on the back burner.
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Imagine taking Newsom seriously
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People were pretty nuanced with the language around the protests. To your point, no one said it was conducive to the containment, but they all said the inverse in that it wasn’t going to spread it, or said it was more important to protest than to limit spread. Mental health was given a seat at the table for protesting. The reports that the protests didn’t spread the virus were written in advance of the results, we knew it was going to be that way. Then the results came in and the right was blamed for them.MelloDawg said:
I could have missed it, but I'm not sure anyone said that the protests were conducive to the containment of COVID and, if you asked public health "experts," 100% of them would say it was a dumbfuck idea if you're trying to prevent spread. As such, they'd probably agree with you that the uptick is because of those protests. The people that protested thought that social justice and racial equality demonstrations superseded the chance they could get COVID, just like the kids who went to go party for spring break and Memorial Day thought the same. Neither was correct.Tequilla said:
Are they?HHusky said:
Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.MelloDawg said:I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.
The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.
I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.
But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.
The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
I'd agree your metrics are probably the real way we should be looking at this, but they'll make the argument that more cases leads to more hospitalization leads to full ICU beds leads to deaths.
Still no touching flagsticks or rakes in the bunkers though, so we’re safe there. -
If it saves one fucking life...
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Yes, it seemed in conflict with various guidance from the CDC that large groups were ill-advised. How many people actually believed that the protests weren't going to be bad for COVID spread though? I think anyone with half a brain on either side realized how absurd that sounded. They just thought it was more important to protest.Bob_C said:
People were pretty nuanced with the language around the protests. To your point, no one said it was conducive to the containment, but they all said the inverse in that it wasn’t going to spread it, or said it was more important to protest than to limit spread. Mental health was given a seat at the table for protesting. The reports that the protests didn’t spread the virus were written in advance of the results, we knew it was going to be that way. Then the results came in and the right was blamed for them.MelloDawg said:
I could have missed it, but I'm not sure anyone said that the protests were conducive to the containment of COVID and, if you asked public health "experts," 100% of them would say it was a dumbfuck idea if you're trying to prevent spread. As such, they'd probably agree with you that the uptick is because of those protests. The people that protested thought that social justice and racial equality demonstrations superseded the chance they could get COVID, just like the kids who went to go party for spring break and Memorial Day thought the same. Neither was correct.Tequilla said:
Are they?HHusky said:
Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.MelloDawg said:I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.
I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.
The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.
I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.
But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.
The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
I'd agree your metrics are probably the real way we should be looking at this, but they'll make the argument that more cases leads to more hospitalization leads to full ICU beds leads to deaths.
Still no touching flagsticks or rakes in the bunkers though, so we’re safe there.
