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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,917
    edited July 2020
    GrundleStiltzkin said:

    MelloDawg said:

    Tequilla said:

    HHusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.

    Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.
    Are they?

    I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.

    The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.

    I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.

    But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.

    The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
    I could have missed it, but I'm not sure anyone said that the protests were conducive to the containment of COVID and, if you asked public health "experts," 100% of them would say it was a dumbfuck idea if you're trying to prevent spread. As such, they'd probably agree with you that the uptick is because of those protests. The people that protested thought that social justice and racial equality demonstrations superseded the chance they could get COVID, just like the kids who went to go party for spring break and Memorial Day thought the same. Neither was correct.

    I'd agree your metrics are probably the real way we should be looking at this, but they'll make the argument that more cases leads to more hospitalization leads to full ICU beds leads to deaths.

    I was just saying that I don't think they were explicitly endorsing a large assembly of people, saying it would have no effect on case numbers. The letter acknowledged that the increased number of large groups would lead to an increased number of cases in the days following, which it did. They took a moral high ground by saying that the right to public protest and demonstration shouldn't be shut down since the consequences of such can be mitigated (health of black people is a concern, don't squelch free speech on racial injustice, etc etc). Again, this is going to lead to a discussion that "left wing protests" are fine and "right wing" are not which is not so much the debate
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  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972
    WestlinnDuck said:

    How about the moral high ground of working and providing for yourself and your family rather than the moral high ground of sucking the government tit? What is moral about protesting for communism and no police?

    It helps keep the WuFlu spreading, hurting Trump and people who pay taxes, and it placates the far-Left lunatics who comprise the Democrat base and think their “cause” is more special than anything else in society..

    Win-win
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  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,695
    edited July 2020
    The only people out of work are capitalists anyway and probably racists too so who cares right
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  • Bob_C
    Bob_C Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 13,514 Founders Club
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    Tequilla said:

    HHusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.

    Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.
    Are they?

    I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.

    The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.

    I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.

    But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.

    The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
    Agreed that hospitalizations and deaths are the only stats that matter. But the increase in cases isn't purely a function of increased testing. The positivity rate has been increasing as well.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/22/no-more-testing-doesnt-explain-rise-covid-19-cases-us/

    If it doesn't result in an outcome of more and death, then at the end of the day it's relatively moot. But the "cases are increasing only because we're testing more" line of thinking, which at first glance appears to be common sense, isn't necessarily true.
    The volume is part of it, but the method of identifying people to test and ability to get tested outside of a hospital is vastly different than it was in March. The issue is more that infections aren’t binary in reality, but the data is.
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  • Goduckies
    Goduckies Member Posts: 8,110 Standard Supporter
    Yeah we still have outside dining, but that's it all malls etc closed up again. Joy
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,917
    WestlinnDuck said:

    How about the moral high ground of working and providing for yourself and your family rather than the moral high ground of sucking the government tit? What is moral about protesting for communism and no police?

    Not sure really, there are other threads that discuss it, but the argument here is whether the public health experts said that large gatherings of people were a prudent idea as far as containing COVID.
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  • Baseman
    Baseman Member Posts: 12,382
    PurpleThrobber said:

    Baseman said:

    greenblood said:

    Great...so a lot of these Californian morons will be coming up north, ruining it for everybody. I'm still pissed our? governors don't just shutdown their borders. It's quite simple: stop any vehicle with an out of state license plate. If they can't prove they are essential, slap them with a $2,500 fine. If people arrive out of state through air, then force them into two weeks quarantine, just like Hawaii is doing. I for one think this is way overblown, but if shutting down the borders keeps the states open for the most part, I'm all for it. Nobody really wants Californians anyway.

    Hearing there's no sales tax in Oregon and their gas station attendants even pump the gas for you!
    Do the attendants stack bodies like cordwood between fill-ups?

    In pits underneath 5g towers
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 116,156 Founders Club
    HHusky said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MelloDawg said:

    RaceBannon said:

    MelloDawg said:

    RaceBannon said:

    HHusky said:

    Tequilla said:

    HHusky said:

    MelloDawg said:

    I imagine Inslee will eventually do the same.

    Probably. Trends are moving the wrong way.
    Are they?

    I get that cases are increasing but so has testing. By default, more testing was always going to lead to more cases ... including asymptomatic cases that we were never picking up initially.

    The key stats to me have always been death, hospital capacity, and ICUs available for the most sick.

    I'm fully resigned to the fact that life isn't going to be normal until at some point next year after there's a solid vaccine option available. I know that the balance of life is going to be at home, being very careful at who you associate with, maintaining distance as much as possible, and enjoying golf while I can.

    But I'm not going to say that I'm super worried about 20 year olds in general getting the virus ... they will be fine.

    The spike in cases is almost assuredly coming in part due to the protesting in June and the spread tied into it. It never made sense to me how we have been so diligent about maintaining space, sports shut down, etc. etc. but when it came to massive people gatherings for protest and related activities that was all ok. I'm not saying that protests and the right to assemble, freedom of speech, etc. isn't important so don't twist. I'm not saying that I'm not recognizing instances of police abuse and social justice so don't twist. But the uptick in at least some level makes a ton of sense given the events.
    The rate of positive tests is too high here and most places.
    How so?

    If it doesn't clog the hospitals or stack the dead who gives a fuck?

    46 million out of work because you're a pussy
    I guess I'm curious what you consider to be "clogged" or how we should interpret commentary from people who work at hospitals. I read a news blurb today from the Republican mayor of Miami that said hospitals are "at their peak" and are at 91-92% capacity and that staffing has become an issue. I'm no hospital administrator, but that number seems like it could cause problems. Is it all COVID? No, probably not, but I don't imagine COVID is helping.
    I've been reading the same bullshit since March

    And I don't fall for it

    46 million unemployed

    I don't imagine that helps anyone other than Biden and his supporters
    You don't fall for it in that you don't think that percentages like that are accurate (hence, made up) or you in that you don't think that numbers like that can be problematic for hospitals? Or abundance?

    Bad economic numbers do help Biden, however, you're right.
    The curve is flattened.
    Willful ignorance.
    Look who can't read
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