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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,581 Standard Supporter
    The difference is intent. Just unwanted touching can be an assault.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049
    salemcoog said:

    Post-script:

    A colleague of mine ... let's just say a guy with a lot to lose ... wanted to make a point I guess and took his son to a protest. I told him I thought that was a bad idea for a guy who lives on Lake Washington. Let's take the boat out instead eh buddy?.

    Of course, creep was right. Some asshole threw something ... forget what it was like a phone or thermos or some shit ... it his kid in the face and cracked an orbital bone. Not the end of the world, but not what he bargained for either.

    The people who spend day after day doing this shit ... whether it's antifa or proud boys or something else ... are the "other" people. One should always keep that in mind. They don't have the same stake in an ordered society that we all have and thus act accordingly with any stimulant.

    Only Liberal fucktards take their kids to protests that always eventually get violent.

    CSD needs to pay a visit. And you need less fucktarded friends.
    I'll be sure to let him know a CUOG! from Salem Oregon has concerns about his son's welfare.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    edited June 2020

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    I'd want to see what caused the fight to break out. I don't think you should be able to start a fight with someone then shoot the guy when you start to get your ass kicked.

    But you do believe in beating a man unconscious and into a coma if he accidentally hits a kid that was playing in the street.
    He also thinks that Zimmerman started the fight with Saint Skittles and then shot him because he was losing.
    Well, ostensibly he did shoot him because he was losing. I think even the members of the Zimmerman Fan Club say as much.

    But I've never read anything in the transcript of that trial that established with any credible proof (in other words, more than George's version) who technically started the fight. Nobody was around for that besides George and Trayvon.

    And, that night at least, he was Saint Skittles. There has never even been an allegation that he was doing anything wrong when George ID'd him as one of those "assholes who always get away."
    See what I mean.

    No. Since you seem to know more about it, then just spit it out. Like my friend, NW, I'm happy to be set straight and admit I was wrong. And "if only we had a system where both sides could present evidence" isn't spitting it out.
    Been there done that. You ignore everything I say and plough straight on with your fact free feelings.

    If only there had been a trial where all of the evidence could have been presented.
    You drastically overestimate my feelings. My heart and feelings are for my wife and kids. My balls are for business, and this is business.
    Trust me, you confusing your feelings for facts isn't me overestimating the value of your feelings.
    I don't trust you. And you do overestimate my emotional involvement - drastically so. And that's ok. It's a good rhetorical device to accuse the other guy of being hysterical. I use it with my wife all the tim, even when she's right.
    If you were emotionally involved you might have taken the trouble to avail yourself to the facts. You're a lazy emotionalist who doesn't bother to make yourself aware of the facts. I estimate your emotional involvement correctly.
  • Alexis
    Alexis Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 3,389 Founders Club

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Based solely on that one clip - freely admit I've not seen others - no, I don't agree she's criminally assaulting him with that little shoulder nudge to get him off of her jock. I get bumped harder by little Asian women at the Holiday Lane parade in Bellevue. If she did something more before that, then maybe. But like I said - I literally get that much contact at the meet freezer at Costco.
    Never really thought of it as that. But I guess that works too.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    I'd want to see what caused the fight to break out. I don't think you should be able to start a fight with someone then shoot the guy when you start to get your ass kicked.

    But you do believe in beating a man unconscious and into a coma if he accidentally hits a kid that was playing in the street.
    He also thinks that Zimmerman started the fight with Saint Skittles and then shot him because he was losing.
    Well, ostensibly he did shoot him because he was losing. I think even the members of the Zimmerman Fan Club say as much.

    But I've never read anything in the transcript of that trial that established with any credible proof (in other words, more than George's version) who technically started the fight. Nobody was around for that besides George and Trayvon.

    And, that night at least, he was Saint Skittles. There has never even been an allegation that he was doing anything wrong when George ID'd him as one of those "assholes who always get away."
    See what I mean.

    If only there had been a trial with witnesses and stuff and an acquittal.
    Ignore all that, I have really strong feelings about what went down with that case and those feelings are more important than your pesky facts. Did you know the police ordered him not to chase Trademark?
    I see your point. My sincerest apologies for taking so long. I'm a Cuog after all, so bear with me.

    The intellectually massive difference between police dispatch telling him "we don't need you to do that, ok" and a police order clears up the fog considerably. With this illuminating clarification, and the heavy breathing business, I now see it your way.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049
    edited June 2020
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    I'd want to see what caused the fight to break out. I don't think you should be able to start a fight with someone then shoot the guy when you start to get your ass kicked.

    But you do believe in beating a man unconscious and into a coma if he accidentally hits a kid that was playing in the street.
    He also thinks that Zimmerman started the fight with Saint Skittles and then shot him because he was losing.
    Well, ostensibly he did shoot him because he was losing. I think even the members of the Zimmerman Fan Club say as much.

    But I've never read anything in the transcript of that trial that established with any credible proof (in other words, more than George's version) who technically started the fight. Nobody was around for that besides George and Trayvon.

    And, that night at least, he was Saint Skittles. There has never even been an allegation that he was doing anything wrong when George ID'd him as one of those "assholes who always get away."
    See what I mean.

    No. Since you seem to know more about it, then just spit it out. Like my friend, NW, I'm happy to be set straight and admit I was wrong. And "if only we had a system where both sides could present evidence" isn't spitting it out.
    Been there done that. You ignore everything I say and plough straight on with your fact free feelings.

    If only there had been a trial where all of the evidence could have been presented.
    You drastically overestimate my feelings. My heart and feelings are for my wife and kids. My balls are for business, and this is business.
    Trust me, you confusing your feelings for facts isn't me overestimating the value of your feelings.
    I don't trust you. And you do overestimate my emotional involvement - drastically so. And that's ok. It's a good rhetorical device to accuse the other guy of being hysterical. I use it with my wife all the tim, even when she's right.
    If you were emotionally involved you might have taken the trouble to avail yourself to the facts. You're a lazy emotionalist who doesn't bother to make yourself aware of the facts. I estimate your emotional involvement correctly.
    You are incorrect sir. Your estimation is entirely inaccurate, unless you've managed to acquire that mind reading thing we used to talk about.

    And, yes, I had to edit that.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049
    Alexis said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Based solely on that one clip - freely admit I've not seen others - no, I don't agree she's criminally assaulting him with that little shoulder nudge to get him off of her jock. I get bumped harder by little Asian women at the Holiday Lane parade in Bellevue. If she did something more before that, then maybe. But like I said - I literally get that much contact at the meet freezer at Costco.
    Never really thought of it as that. But I guess that works too.
    It's where I do my best work.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049

    The difference is intent. Just unwanted touching can be an assault.

    I don't think you're going to get too far with that in that context. If he's managing to technically not touch her with what he was doing before she nudged her shoulder, it's a miracle, and in any event if we're being that nitpicky then we could also argue assault on his part because you don't need physical contact for that. You just need to reasonably be in apprehension of physical harm.

    No judge on the planet would do anything with what she did in that clip given what he was already doing.
  • thechatch
    thechatch Member Posts: 7,232 Standard Supporter

    Didn’t he display/draw while in the crowd then walked away? There could be issues with brandishing a firearm

    Makes it even more ridiculous that they went at him with their skateboards.
  • Postal91
    Postal91 Member Posts: 1,895

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    My favorite part is the rape whistling going on. Sounds like the HH fight song.
  • Fenderbender123
    Fenderbender123 Member Posts: 2,989
    The way I see it is that he was not trying to touch her or assault her at all. He simply wanted around her and so she purposely stepped in his way with her arms stretched out and shoulder against him.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. It isn't something that warrants being dragged to the ground, but it's also not nothing either. It's an action that in my experience causes people to become agitated. Not victim blaming, so don't twist.

  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,088

    Yeah I don't really have an opinion on that situation either way. Just noticed that the physical contact, based on that video, was initiated by the woman. I wouldn't have dragged her to the ground.

    I'd say otherwise. Watch it again. He arguably initiated the contact, and what she did in response was barely anything and for sure didn't warrant what he did. Her back was to him the entire time ... at least in the clip.
    Are you sure? I'm watching it and it looks like she is purposely moving in front of him to block him, resulting in contact.

    Though like I said, I agree...I don't think it warrants the reaction he had.
    I think she smirked at him
    It was more of a come hither/fuck me look. At least back in the 80's that's how it would have been interpretted.

    And if the chick is going to try to block out, she should get her butt down and feet spread at least shoulder width apart. That was pure Ricky Mahorn on the throw down.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049
    edited June 2020

    The way I see it is that he was not trying to touch her or assault her at all. He simply wanted around her and so she purposely stepped in his way with her arms stretched out and shoulder against him.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. It isn't something that warrants being dragged to the ground, but it's also not nothing either. It's an action that in my experience causes people to become agitated. Not victim blaming, so don't twist.

    Not twisting. But you and I, and every other mentally balanced adult, would have walked 5 or so yards in either direction away from her, or used a better first step, and just make our way around. Or, better yet, we wouldn't GAF and assess it wasn't worth engaging with someone in an already cranked up situation.

    I know guys like him. I think in all liklihood he was looking for a fight and wanted that shit to happen. Not the shoot-out. But the scuffle with the chick. He doesn't portray as the image of a normal person saying "excuse me. may I pass through? i'm just on my way."
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    edited June 2020
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,792 Standard Supporter

    I think this all goes back to proving why we just need to defund and disband the police.

    The next 150 days are going to be nuts.

    You think this is bad wait and see what a verdict brings or sooner, Trump wins again.

    The chair is against the wall. John has a long mustache.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Based solely on that one clip - freely admit I've not seen others - no, I don't agree she's criminally assaulting him with that little shoulder nudge to get him off of her jock. I get bumped harder by little Asian women at the Holiday Lane parade in Bellevue. If she did something more before that, then maybe. But like I said - I literally get that much contact at the meet freezer at Costco.
    Sorry Creep, but what she's doing is illegal and codified in the law. You can't "restrain" someone from going where they want to go. I wouldn't have done what the guy did, and as I stated, his force would probably be deemed unreasonable, subjecting him to charges of his own. She technically has no legal right to impede or restrain his movement.

    Why this matters is because it's happening daily, all over the CHAZ, and those ignorant fucks are breaking the law every time they step in front and make contact with people by pushing or grabbing them. A lot of CHAZ outsiders are missing Golden Opportunities to clock those skinny legged fucks every day, because they don't know the law. And that makes me sad.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
  • NorthwestFresh
    NorthwestFresh Member Posts: 7,972

    The way I see it is that he was not trying to touch her or assault her at all. He simply wanted around her and so she purposely stepped in his way with her arms stretched out and shoulder against him.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. It isn't something that warrants being dragged to the ground, but it's also not nothing either. It's an action that in my experience causes people to become agitated. Not victim blaming, so don't twist.

    Not twisting. But you and I, and every other mentally balanced adult, would have walked 5 or so yards in either direction away from her, or used a better first step, and just make our way around. Or, better yet, we wouldn't GAF and assess it wasn't worth engaging with someone in an already cranked up situation.

    I know guys like him. I think in all liklihood he was looking for a fight and wanted that shit to happen. Not the shoot-out. But the scuffle with the chick. He doesn't portray as the image of a normal person saying "excuse me. may I pass through? i'm just on my way."
    So what about the pack of goons that followed the guy and gang attacked him? Seems like a separate incident and I’m glad that black-clad LARPer with the backpack got shot. Oh well, do stupid shit, expect the worst. Kind of like your dipshit friend with the house on the lake taking his son out for a stroll into a riot.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
    You are wrong. But don't let me stop you.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
    You are wrong. But don't let me stop you.
    Okay make your argument. What exactly does she do to assault him. Put her arms out? Graze him with her shoulder? At what point in the video do her actions come anywhere near the line of criminality?
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049

    The way I see it is that he was not trying to touch her or assault her at all. He simply wanted around her and so she purposely stepped in his way with her arms stretched out and shoulder against him.

    I'm somewhere in the middle. It isn't something that warrants being dragged to the ground, but it's also not nothing either. It's an action that in my experience causes people to become agitated. Not victim blaming, so don't twist.

    Not twisting. But you and I, and every other mentally balanced adult, would have walked 5 or so yards in either direction away from her, or used a better first step, and just make our way around. Or, better yet, we wouldn't GAF and assess it wasn't worth engaging with someone in an already cranked up situation.

    I know guys like him. I think in all liklihood he was looking for a fight and wanted that shit to happen. Not the shoot-out. But the scuffle with the chick. He doesn't portray as the image of a normal person saying "excuse me. may I pass through? i'm just on my way."
    So what about the pack of goons that followed the guy and gang attacked him? Seems like a separate incident and I’m glad that black-clad LARPer with the backpack got shot. Oh well, do stupid shit, expect the worst. Kind of like your dipshit friend with the house on the lake taking his son out for a stroll into a riot.
    Yes, you join a pack of goons and start beating on someone who's running away from you and you bought what you get. Regardless of whether the guy is a tool.

    Not like my friend at all, who is anything but a dipshit. We all make mistakes.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,049

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Based solely on that one clip - freely admit I've not seen others - no, I don't agree she's criminally assaulting him with that little shoulder nudge to get him off of her jock. I get bumped harder by little Asian women at the Holiday Lane parade in Bellevue. If she did something more before that, then maybe. But like I said - I literally get that much contact at the meet freezer at Costco.
    Sorry Creep, but what she's doing is illegal and codified in the law. You can't "restrain" someone from going where they want to go. I wouldn't have done what the guy did, and as I stated, his force would probably be deemed unreasonable, subjecting him to charges of his own. She technically has no legal right to impede or restrain his movement.

    Why this matters is because it's happening daily, all over the CHAZ, and those ignorant fucks are breaking the law every time they step in front and make contact with people by pushing or grabbing them. A lot of CHAZ outsiders are missing Golden Opportunities to clock those skinny legged fucks every day, because they don't know the law. And that makes me sad.
    I was mostly responding to (triggered by) the notion that she had made some sort of very aggressive contact with him using her shoulder, which I didn't see as a big deal and certainly something you or I would have just walked away from.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
    You are wrong. But don't let me stop you.
    Okay make your argument. What exactly does she do to assault him. Put her arms out? Graze him with her shoulder? At what point in the video do her actions come anywhere near the line of criminality?
    Without legal authority or consent, intentionally contacts him at least twice, maintains her screen as he moves right to avoid her (doubling down on her obvious intent to block his path), impeding and restraining his ability to move in the path he desires, thereby denying him his well-recognized liberty interest to go where he wants.

    Argue it all day long, or learn this lesson: You can't block other people from going where they want to go on public property. It's against the law. So is touching a person without their consent.

    Sorry you didn't know this. Now you do.
  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
    You are wrong. But don't let me stop you.
    Okay make your argument. What exactly does she do to assault him. Put her arms out? Graze him with her shoulder? At what point in the video do her actions come anywhere near the line of criminality?
    Without legal authority or consent, intentionally contacts him at least twice, maintains her screen as he moves right to avoid her (doubling down on her obvious intent to block his path), impeding and restraining his ability to move in the path he desires, thereby denying him his well-recognized liberty interest to go where he wants.

    Argue it all day long, or learn this lesson: You can't block other people from going where they want to go on public property. It's against the law. So is touching a person without their consent.

    Sorry you didn't know this. Now you do.
    None of which constitutes criminal assault.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,041 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Criminal assault?

    This is the snowflakiest post ever.

    Holy shit pull your tampon out man.
    Nevermind that it's the law.

    Sorry if that inconvenience interferes with your ignorance.
    There is nothing at all criminal about what she's doing.

    No DA in the country would take that case.

    IRYK

    STOp.
    You are wrong. But don't let me stop you.
    Okay make your argument. What exactly does she do to assault him. Put her arms out? Graze him with her shoulder? At what point in the video do her actions come anywhere near the line of criminality?
    Without legal authority or consent, intentionally contacts him at least twice, maintains her screen as he moves right to avoid her (doubling down on her obvious intent to block his path), impeding and restraining his ability to move in the path he desires, thereby denying him his well-recognized liberty interest to go where he wants.

    Argue it all day long, or learn this lesson: You can't block other people from going where they want to go on public property. It's against the law. So is touching a person without their consent.

    Sorry you didn't know this. Now you do.
    None of which constitutes criminal assault.
    Sounds like Dazzler's got himself a future partner. Or client.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    dnc said:

    It's going to be a chinteresting adjudication.

    He deserved to get his ass beat
    You do realize that she's criminally assaulting him by pushing him, don't you? Whether his action was excessive or not, he had a right to push her away.
    Based solely on that one clip - freely admit I've not seen others - no, I don't agree she's criminally assaulting him with that little shoulder nudge to get him off of her jock. I get bumped harder by little Asian women at the Holiday Lane parade in Bellevue. If she did something more before that, then maybe. But like I said - I literally get that much contact at the meet freezer at Costco.
    Sorry Creep, but what she's doing is illegal and codified in the law. You can't "restrain" someone from going where they want to go. I wouldn't have done what the guy did, and as I stated, his force would probably be deemed unreasonable, subjecting him to charges of his own. She technically has no legal right to impede or restrain his movement.

    Why this matters is because it's happening daily, all over the CHAZ, and those ignorant fucks are breaking the law every time they step in front and make contact with people by pushing or grabbing them. A lot of CHAZ outsiders are missing Golden Opportunities to clock those skinny legged fucks every day, because they don't know the law. And that makes me sad.
    I was mostly responding to (triggered by) the notion that she had made some sort of very aggressive contact with him using her shoulder, which I didn't see as a big deal and certainly something you or I would have just walked away from.
    You would have. Turd Eater would have shrieked in a high pitch that she'd committed criminal assault.