FBI investigates death of black man after video shows cop kneeling on his neck

creepycoug said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Police are trusted with a monopoly on violence in society. Therefore, they are held to a higher standard of conduct than the rest of us. Don't like it? Don't be a cop.

Reason #1,001 why I don't trust the government or anyone who's an authoritarian.

Precisely this. It is a huge transference of power.

The public doesn't want to be held to any standard.

Disagree Sleddy. The public generally does want law and order, and as I made clear in the other thread about the goons in Georgia, I much, much prefer leaving the business of arresting people to the professionals - the cops.

That said, there are always going to be bad actors in every line of work. Cops are no exception. What makes those bad actors problematic in the force is the great power and trust the public has conferred upon the police. So when you get a bad apple in that group, it's a problem. Literally nobody else in society - only law enforcement - has the power to legally seize and exert control over your person.

I have no problem with weeding out bad cops. I'm all for it.

I'm not commenting on the incident as there's too little info available.

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:

MikeDamone said:

creepycoug said:

Bendintheriver said:

creepycoug said:

Bendintheriver said:

PostGameOrangeSlices said:

Bendintheriver said:

I don't understand rats and their media. You can visit any of my local television station web sites and every single day you can find black on white crime. This story is being reacted to by rats not because one guy was killed by a COP while being restrained. It is a story about a white man doing this to a black man. Gail King was on television crying today asking "why are they doing this to my brothers and sisters". I can show her 5X of the opposite here in South Atlanta but she and other rats aren't interested in that perspective. 6% of the population is responsible for 42% of the murders in this country but rats and their media can't make political hay out of that.

Black crime gets glossed over by the media, but overzealous power ranger cops are a societal issue as well

Again, this isn't about Cops, this is black and white.

When was the last time you saw outrage over COPS killing a white guy? In 2017 twice as many white guys were killed by Police than black. For the life of me I can't ever remember a rat on here posting any articles on that disparity which proves my point.

It's about cops.

So you will protest by posting COPS killing white skinned Americans right?

The only reason this is an issue today is because it is a white COP killing a black man.

For all of you pussies who disagree, post your last post showing twice as many white men being killed by COPS.

COPS should never kill like this but for anyone to assume this hasn't happened to white perps is to be a racist POS.

This is a political issue that is not afforded to COPS killing white people. It is racist at it's core. It is used for political purposes.

Fuck all of you that believe this is the norm. Statistics say it is politics as usual.

I don't think anybody said it was the norm. I suppose it's true that police brutality on black people gets more pub, but that's because people at least perceive that it's a relatively more significant issue with black males.

It's not to suggest that the police don't ever go off on whites or other groups. Separate issue. But I wouldn't say or agree that cop on black (mostly male) violence gets the focus only (or primarily) because of the liberal mainstream media. It's an issue that has been discussed for years in the U.S., and the media didn't just make it up. Even controlling for % of overall US population, the stats for black males are pretty grim in this area, as a very recent and oft-cited study reveals:



Here's the link to the overall study: https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

So, it seems that there is at least some basis for the years of people saying that being black and male puts you at relatively worse odds when dealing with the cops.

Of course, there are other considerations and it's a complex issue. Black males commit a relatively higher % of the crimes, etc. etc.

That said, this case is unlike the Brown case and more like the Garner case. Whatever he did before doesn't matter; what matters is that once you have a guy under control and he tells you he can't breathe, you need to pay attention and make sure he can breathe. Simple. Get him to the station alive unless your life is threatened.

You can’t classify all deaths by the police as “police brutality”. That’s dishonest no matter what you think of the police. The vast majority are very justifiable. The questionable ones get a huge amount of publicly (Ferguson was a lie). Also as you mentioned, considering black people commit more crimes and therefore have more contact with the police and it’s not hard to understand why more get killed as a %

I didn't. I posted the recent study as a basis for why people focus more on violence between black males and the cops. Said another way, as at least some explanation for why the questionable ones get the pub.

The graph you posted did

Yes, I know.

GDS said:

ramenduck said:

Bendintheriver said:

vadawg said:

This is fucking murder. Cops and government suck. Fuck the cops.

Then post videos of COPS killing white, Asian or Latino perps. I don't consider COPS as government.

It doesn't happen. You know why? Because it doesn't fit the media's narrative.

In 2017 and 2018, twice as many pale faces were killed by COPS. Show us the videos that the main stream media posted to ginn up outrage.

It never happened! Period.

I have been treated poorly and kindly by police officers. I have police officers, DEA agents, FBI and Sheriff's around me now. The stories they tell are outrageous. The danger they are put in by all races is atrocious. For the MSM to focus on the bad few is criminal.

So in response to a video of a black man being brutalized by police and likely dying as a result, you blame the media, call others in the thread racist, cite apples/oranges statistics, pull out anecdotes about cops you allegedly know, demand to see videos of white people being killed that you strongly feel exist, then finally get around to condemning the cop.

I bet you’re a riot at parties.

And why do you keep capitalizing the word cops?

This is the same dude that posts links to AmRen...I know you’re not surprised at Atl’s reaction.

And you're the infamous lying piece of shit pedophile @GDS that can't produce facts but parrots MSM talking points like the sad little gay bitch he is.

Fuck Off and Kill Yourself, pervert.

Appears to be, they sure are struggling with him to get the cuffs on. What transpires between that video and him ending up on the ground.

doogie said:

Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!

Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.

Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.

End.

Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.

SFGbob said:

doogie said:

Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!

Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.

Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.

End.

Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.

Great bob, Now would be the perfect time for you to produce your special set of facts

Baseman said:

SFGbob said:

doogie said:

Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!

Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.

Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.

End.

Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.

I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.

Doogie just did dispute it. Claimed it was some "special" fact I just created.

doogie said:

Bob, don’t be a Dick.

Go fuck yourself. You said I was making up my own facts. Don't be a fucking liar.

SFGbob said:

doogie said:

Bob, don’t be a Dick.

Go fuck yourself. You said I was making up my own facts. Don't be a fucking liar.

No Bob, I didn’t.

Don’t be a dick.

The video didn’t lie.

There is no explanation for the justification of this Murder. OR the lack of preventative action by the accessories to this Murder.

Baseman said:

Sledog said:

HHusky said:

Sledog said:

creepycoug said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

Police are trusted with a monopoly on violence in society. Therefore, they are held to a higher standard of conduct than the rest of us. Don't like it? Don't be a cop.

Reason #1,001 why I don't trust the government or anyone who's an authoritarian.

Precisely this. It is a huge transference of power.

The public doesn't want to be held to any standard.

Working with the public has its challenges. Becoming a cop is still voluntary.

Loved my job mostly. Challenges? Not most of the public. But there's some that definitely need need a new attitude. Seems no one taught them manners or civility among other things.

Cops don't want to fight. Too many injuries. That's why we have tools.

FYI there is something of a death syndrome for people on stimulants who die after fighting with the police. They fight like crazy and after you put them in the car there body just shuts down. It's being researched. This guy died of a medical event.

Sled -- Why not use a Taser in situations like this?

9th circuit court, in their very finite wisdom, ruled that a Taser is damn near a gun on the use of force continuum. They now have placed it above a baton, Tasers generally work if deployed correctly. The darts need a fairly wide spread for it to be effective. At closer ranges it's not too hot. You can drive stun with the exterior contacts but that is simply pain compliance. It does not have the same effect as properly deployed darts.

We had the "choke hold" actually called the carotid restraint. Worked awesome. That is pretty much gone. looks bad. Some people died later most like because of drugs on board. As I mentioned earlier they are beginning to believe there is a deadly reaction that can occur after the altercation without warning typically involving drugs. Also one of the things effecting Taser use.

Pepper spray works pretty well but often when people are really nutted up and going crazy it doesn't work either. Prior training such as when I started was that if people didn't comply you beat them with your stick until they do. The object was not only to stop the suspect from continuing his actions but keep the officer from being injured. But that begat Rodney King because they didn't hit him hard enough to break something and stop him. Baton targets are normally bones. If yo break his arm, leg, collar bone or a joint they usually don't continue. But that requires hitting them VERY hard. Can't pussy foot around or you end up with Rodeny.

So the next tactic was dog pile them. That got us the crazy homeless guy in Fullerton Ca. death. Crushed him. And may be what happened here. Putting a knee on the neck is a pretty normal activity for a violently combative suspect. If they can talk they are certainly breathing. Normally this is only done long enough to get enough people to physically move the suspect into a car. Sometimes they're so nutted up they have to be strapped to a gurney. We lost the hobble because a few died after it's use.

People die in fights and after fights for a myriad of reasons. My best advice is don't fight with the police! Fighting is dangerous you might get hurt. Snowflakes who have only fought in Call of Duty don't understand the realities.

dnc said:

TurdBomber said:

Baseman said:

SFGbob said:

doogie said:

Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!

Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.

Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.

End.

Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.

I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.

It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"

And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?

Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.

Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.

What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.

The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.

They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive

The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.

Sorry but individuals share just as much responsibility and actually more because they started it!

If your actions require a police response you might not be acting normally.

I always loved sticking liberal loud mouths into the simulator and have them shoot EVERYONE.

TurdBomber said:

dnc said:

TurdBomber said:

Baseman said:

SFGbob said:

doogie said:

Jesus, bob. It doesn’t fucking Matter!

Rogue cop killed a motorist for a misdemeanor. It’s on fucking tape.

Once the victim was subdued, it was the Obligation of the police TEAM to Guarantee his safety.

End.

Facts matter, they have always mattered. The guy didn't deserve to die but to lie and claim he wasn't resisting doesn't help anything.

I don't think anyone can dispute the guy resisted, it's the severity of the response and continued violence that's unacceptable -- criminal when it comes down to it.

It's "criminal" to resist arrest. And what exactly is the correct level of response without being "severe?"

And what should the cops do when that doesn't work? See the problem?

Utopian, 20/20 Hindsight analyses are not getting the job done. These things keep happening because neither side of the encounter is completely innocent and because human beings are never perfect. These kinds of anti-social encounters do not get better by focusing all eyes and efforts on one side of the encounter, especially when deadly force is in play.

Fire all the cops, bust their union and throw them all in jail. And guess what? These things will keep happening.

What we have here is a clear failure to communicate by dumb, belligerent people which escalates into mini-warfare and conquest, and it's not going to stop just by all cops becoming good boys. It may get even worse.

The power is all on the side of the cops. They're ones with the law behind them. They're the ones with the weapons. They're the ones with the responsibility to get it right.

They're also, incidentally, the ones that are still alive

The onus is completely on the side of the police to get this fixed.

Nope. That belief and approach is why this keeps happening. Communication is a two way street.

Your position acquiesces in the attitudes and conduct, i.e., non-cooperation and escalation, that turns these encounters deadly.

The cops can be 100% perfect and still have to shoot a guy who resists arrest, and you'll still turn your focus directly on the cops.

There's two-sides to this coin, folks.

Bullshit.

I've defended the police in multiple of these brouhahas including Ferguson.

When they get it right I'll defend them.

When they don't, I"ll call them out.

They sure as shit didn't get it right in this case.