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  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,691
    edited May 2020

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

    I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

    To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

    I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

    Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

    I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,458 Founders Club

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    Yes. And no. At least he's not afraid to lead now.

    We have threads here about the state leaders paralyzed by fear of reopening

    Trump is back to let her rip. Which is what we need now.

    While I think he should have told the governors to fuck off I don't think he could

    So he saved 2 million lives

    Tough crowd
    Here in Blue-ass Warshington, I am angry as hell over being caught in the political scrum between governor, congress and Trump.
    Same in California. Woke up mad. Hasn't got better
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,496 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

    I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

    To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

    I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

    Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

    I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.
    Mitt would be absolutely the guy for the tims.

    In my opinion, communication is 81% of the leadership challenge during this. And his style and lack of discipline just isn't suited for it, especially early on.
  • dncdnc Member Posts: 56,691

    dnc said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

    I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

    To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

    I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

    Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

    I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.
    Mitt would be absolutely the guy for the tims.

    In my opinion, communication is 81% of the leadership challenge during this. And his style and lack of discipline just isn't suited for it, especially early on.
    I honestly don't disagree
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
  • ThomasFremontThomasFremont Member Posts: 13,325
    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
  • PurpleThrobberPurpleThrobber Member Posts: 43,970 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    Like Schiff?

    But but Obama POTD, I know.

    Still true though.

  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    Just like Tommy to be an emotional infant and pipe in with a non response to a question that wasn't even asked of him.



    TDS and ADHD are bad combinations.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,703 Standard Supporter
    I would be having nightmares if the Hill had won the election.

    There is not one politician out there that could calmly soothe this divided nation. no.way.in.hell

    My never vote for an incumbent credo will be tested this November
  • Pitchfork51Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 26,888

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    Actually since it isnt that big of a deal we dont need shit.
  • GrundleStiltzkinGrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,496 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    There is something to that.
  • LebamDawgLebamDawg Member Posts: 8,703 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    There is something to that.
    How much of that erosion is created by the press? one of the best comments on HH is 'don't twist' - how often was what the Trumpeter said twisted in the press/congressional press conferences?


    I think he is a twit and should not be twatting - but the press could be more honest. Who has lied the most between those two?
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849
    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    Yes. And no. At least he's not afraid to lead now.

    We have threads here about the state leaders paralyzed by fear of reopening

    Trump is back to let her rip. Which is what we need now.

    While I think he should have told the governors to fuck off I don't think he could

    So he saved 2 million lives

    Tough crowd
    Here in Blue-ass Warshington, I am angry as hell over being caught in the political scrum between governor, congress and Trump.
    Same in California. Woke up mad. Hasn't got better
    Today was gonna be like Xmas Morning for me. As Kate announced the counties that would be able to open bars, restaurants, salons, etc. tomorrow.

    And everyone that applied to open was either approved or "needs more info" for approval except the 2 that encompass my town.

    Marion County has 6 hospitalized and Polk County, on the other side of the river has less with almost all of their cases originating in nursing homes.

    No science says that our counties should be shut down.
    The worst part of today's address is that she said that stand alone retailers never had to shut down.








    But how do Democrats hate business???
  • KaepskneeKaepsknee Member Posts: 14,849
    WJW.

    They should just give him the covid cookies tonight and put him out of his misery.
  • RaceBannonRaceBannon Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 105,458 Founders Club
    Trump shouldn't have wire tapped himself and hied a special prosecutor to investigate a phony claim of collusion

    To top it off he impeached himself like a dog on a fake Ukrainian scandal

    Really eroded trust
  • YellowSnowYellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 35,347 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Xenophobic travel ban on Dec 31 and lock down granny in the nursing homes.
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