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dnc

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.

RaceBannon

GrundleStiltzkin said:

RaceBannon said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

Yes. And no. At least he's not afraid to lead now.

We have threads here about the state leaders paralyzed by fear of reopening

Trump is back to let her rip. Which is what we need now.

While I think he should have told the governors to fuck off I don't think he could

So he saved 2 million lives

Tough crowd

Here in Blue-ass Warshington, I am angry as hell over being caught in the political scrum between governor, congress and Trump.

Same in California. Woke up mad. Hasn't got better

GrundleStiltzkin

dnc said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.

Mitt would be absolutely the guy for the tims.

In my opinion, communication is 81% of the leadership challenge during this. And his style and lack of discipline just isn't suited for it, especially early on.

dnc

GrundleStiltzkin said:

dnc said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.

Mitt would be absolutely the guy for the tims.

In my opinion, communication is 81% of the leadership challenge during this. And his style and lack of discipline just isn't suited for it, especially early on.

I honestly don't disagree

RaceBannon

GrundleStiltzkin said:

dnc said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

I've actually been pleasantly surprised with what he's done. He hasn't panicked and shut everything down like the left would have but hasn't ignored it and done nothing like many on the right would have. Testing has been a debacle but at least the CDC shares some of that blame. And somehow he hasn't fired Fauci despite his notoriously itchy trigger finger and his seemingly constant willingness to pander to his base's thirst for blood.

I would have expected him to handle this worse than he has.

To Yella's poont his communication has been as inconsistent and ill-informed as one would expect though. That matters, not as much as what he *does*, but it still matters.

I can't really think of a politician I think would have done much better through this though. Maybe Mitt. Maybe.

Sark > Ty and all that but Trump has exceeded my minuscule expectations. I'm fairly okay with him being in charge through this.

I think we'd be pretty fucked with just about anyone in charge.

Mitt would be absolutely the guy for the tims.

In my opinion, communication is 81% of the leadership challenge during this. And his style and lack of discipline just isn't suited for it, especially early on.

Mitt is owned by China. The absolute worst man for the job. Weak and bought. No thank you.

Kaepsknee

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.

What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?

ThomasFremont

salemcoog said:

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.

What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?

Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

Just a thought.

PurpleThrobber

ThomasFremont said:

salemcoog said:

YellowSnow said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.

What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?

Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

Just a thought.

Like Schiff?

But but Obama POTD, I know.

Still true though.

MikeDamone

RaceBannon said:

The day the fake 2 million dead model came out was when Trump blinked. I'd like to think I wouldn't have but his own party panicked too. And if it was right who wants to be the guy to kill 2 million Americans

That's the past. We need to win the future

Next week will be really bad

Kaepsknee

RaceBannon said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

RaceBannon said:

GrundleStiltzkin said:

In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

Yes. And no. At least he's not afraid to lead now.

We have threads here about the state leaders paralyzed by fear of reopening

Trump is back to let her rip. Which is what we need now.

While I think he should have told the governors to fuck off I don't think he could

So he saved 2 million lives

Tough crowd

Here in Blue-ass Warshington, I am angry as hell over being caught in the political scrum between governor, congress and Trump.

Same in California. Woke up mad. Hasn't got better

Today was gonna be like Xmas Morning for me. As Kate announced the counties that would be able to open bars, restaurants, salons, etc. tomorrow.

And everyone that applied to open was either approved or "needs more info" for approval except the 2 that encompass my town.

Marion County has 6 hospitalized and Polk County, on the other side of the river has less with almost all of their cases originating in nursing homes.

No science says that our counties should be shut down.