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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    Just like Tommy to be an emotional infant and pipe in with a non response to a question that wasn't even asked of him.



    TDS and ADHD are bad combinations.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,843 Swaye's Wigwam
    I would be having nightmares if the Hill had won the election.

    There is not one politician out there that could calmly soothe this divided nation. no.way.in.hell

    My never vote for an incumbent credo will be tested this November
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,679

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    Actually since it isnt that big of a deal we dont need shit.
  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    There is something to that.
  • LebamDawg
    LebamDawg Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 8,843 Swaye's Wigwam

    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Maybe not spend 3+ years antagonizing half the country, eroding trust, and being a liar?

    Just a thought.
    There is something to that.
    How much of that erosion is created by the press? one of the best comments on HH is 'don't twist' - how often was what the Trumpeter said twisted in the press/congressional press conferences?


    I think he is a twit and should not be twatting - but the press could be more honest. Who has lied the most between those two?
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    Yes. And no. At least he's not afraid to lead now.

    We have threads here about the state leaders paralyzed by fear of reopening

    Trump is back to let her rip. Which is what we need now.

    While I think he should have told the governors to fuck off I don't think he could

    So he saved 2 million lives

    Tough crowd
    Here in Blue-ass Warshington, I am angry as hell over being caught in the political scrum between governor, congress and Trump.
    Same in California. Woke up mad. Hasn't got better
    Today was gonna be like Xmas Morning for me. As Kate announced the counties that would be able to open bars, restaurants, salons, etc. tomorrow.

    And everyone that applied to open was either approved or "needs more info" for approval except the 2 that encompass my town.

    Marion County has 6 hospitalized and Polk County, on the other side of the river has less with almost all of their cases originating in nursing homes.

    No science says that our counties should be shut down.
    The worst part of today's address is that she said that stand alone retailers never had to shut down.








    But how do Democrats hate business???
  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919
    WJW.

    They should just give him the covid cookies tonight and put him out of his misery.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,541 Founders Club
    Trump shouldn't have wire tapped himself and hied a special prosecutor to investigate a phony claim of collusion

    To top it off he impeached himself like a dog on a fake Ukrainian scandal

    Really eroded trust
  • YellowSnow
    YellowSnow Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 37,702 Founders Club
    salemcoog said:

    In my opinion, Trump has not been up to leadership task that the tims require.

    In in the Grumble Camp on this one. I've admitted here many times that I am sympathetic to some of his policy goals vis a vis China, border security and no more nation building adventures. But pandemics are just not suited to his strengths. The messaging is just too sloppy and all over the map. We need clear, calm fireside chat type stuff to calm the irrational fears and get through this shit.
    What should Trump have done that would have generated a better outcome here today May 14, 2020?
    Xenophobic travel ban on Dec 31 and lock down granny in the nursing homes.