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Massive and frequent testing is our only way out of this

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  • Dude61
    Dude61 Member Posts: 1,254
    What will you do with the information obtained from mass testing that you can act on today without mass testing? Other than help assuage fears? Testing is only a snapshot in time. People without antibodies are still at risk of being infected and those with antibodies are at risk of getting infected again as the virus mutates. All viruses mutate.

    Normal protocol is to isolate the sick and vulnerable and let the healthy go about their lives. If a vaccine becomes available let those that choose to get vaccinated do so. Continue to manufacture and make available HCQ as a treatment.

    The health authorities, their predictive models and the Governors that

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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    Tequilla said:

    The problem with massive testing is that it’s really just a point in time result.

    Anybody can get tested right now, be clean, then go to the grocery store 30 minutes later and be infected.

    Save the testing for areas where there’s reason for concern ... can’t go through airport security unless you test negative

    Agreed, which is why the proposals don't rely on a single instance of testing and instead require frequent retesting until we can get a better idea of the exact scope of the problem. Start wide and then narrow.
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  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    Bob_C said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.

    Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.

    We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.

    Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
    In your estimation, what does targeted sampling looks like? Most studies want us to get to that point, but until we know where the true weak points in the country are, it's just blind testing. I haven't read anything that suggests effective targeted sampling is possible without first having large scale testing.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Bob_C said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.

    Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.

    We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.

    Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
    lol

    We put a man on the moon, can't pull off widespread testing.

    Sure thing.

    Business leaders told Trump mass testing is critical. Bulletin board Bob_C says it isn't, not even possible.

    Take you pick
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  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,764 Founders Club
    Testing has become an excuse

    But experts say..

    The same dumbfucks that got us here
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  • GrundleStiltzkin
    GrundleStiltzkin Member Posts: 61,516 Standard Supporter
    Dude61 said:

    What will you do with the information obtained from mass testing that you can act on today without mass testing? Other than help assuage fears? Testing is only a snapshot in time. People without antibodies are still at risk of being infected and those with antibodies are at risk of getting infected again as the virus mutates. All viruses mutate.

    Normal protocol is to isolate the sick and vulnerable and let the healthy go about their lives. If a vaccine becomes available let those that choose to get vaccinated do so. Continue to manufacture and make available HCQ as a treatment.

    The health authorities, their predictive models and the Governors that

    That's kinda the whole point. Fear rules the day/week/months right now.
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  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam
    Business leaders got us here?

    No they didn't.

    These guys are experts - in business, not health care, and they say we need mass testing. Of course, the Coca Cola CEO got behind new Coke, so maybe they aren't experts.

    Is there a problem with mass testing? Is it about muh freedom? Did I miss the case against mass testing? Did Hillary say we need mass testing?
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  • MelloDawg
    MelloDawg Member Posts: 6,917
    RaceBannon said:



    Fuck off. Tee it up boys

    Massive win for the Field, in my opinion.
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  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    GreenRiverGatorz said:

    MikeDamone said:

    The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.

    Whether or not that's true is a moot point. The Tug isn't going to be in charge of the pandemic response anytime soon.

    What is true is that most of the world is convinced that letting the disease run amok will overwhelm the hospital systems. You can argue about how stupid that is, but no government is going to choose door 1 of "let's go back to normal with no mitigating steps". So the only realistic way out of here is wide scale testing.
    “Most of the world” = politicians who panicked based on faulty computer models and then realized it was perfect opportunity to advance and agenda. See Gavin Newsom for details.
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