Massive and frequent testing is our only way out of this
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The logistics are insane, comparing a long lead time project to this is dumb.dflea said:
lolBob_C said:
Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.
Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
We put a man on the moon, can't pull off widespread testing.
Sure thing.
Business leaders told Trump mass testing is critical. Bulletin board Bob_C says it isn't, not even possible.
Take you pick
If people were at work it could’ve actually been run through employers in a semi efficient manner. Too late there, everyone has been sent home.
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You're not wrong. It would require a staggering reallocation of resources. New labs would either need to be converted or straight up built. The current infrastructure is not there.Bob_C said:
The logistics are insane, comparing a long lead time project to this is dumb.dflea said:
lolBob_C said:
Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.
Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
We put a man on the moon, can't pull off widespread testing.
Sure thing.
Business leaders told Trump mass testing is critical. Bulletin board Bob_C says it isn't, not even possible.
Take you pick
If people were at work it could’ve actually been run through employers in a semi efficient manner. Too late there, everyone has been sent home. -
I was saying three weeks ago let's do some random sample testing. I don't even think it needs to be huge numbers. I am no expert but my guess is 50K tests spread between rural and city dwellers dispersed in all 50 states and we would have a decent model of how infected we really are, and then we could start making some real estimates on mortality rates. I am all for it. Could probably test 50K people in specific locations in a week. Let's get on with it.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The problem is that we don't have accurate statistics that give us any way of estimating what the unknown variable is - how many people would die if we let the virus run its course with no intervention?Swaye said:
If a million would die then I agree, some type of targeted mitigation is required. The issue is, I am not convinced a million would die. I do not think we have accurate statistics to support that assertion.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that.
It could be small, it could be massive. Most people I see trying to guess fall neatly into one of the two camps based on their ideology. A coincidence I'm sure. Widespread testing gives us a much clearer answer and puts an end to this fucktarded partisan guessing game. -
What if testing is partisan? Then what? We tested everyone but they could still get it
Politicians love to kick the can down the road and they aren't going out on a limb here. Testing is the latest reason not to open. There will be another one until enough "leaders" have the balls to lead. The second wave!!!!!
What happens when Tom Rinaldi and his piano do a Gameday segment on Jimmy Spitz who went to watch his favorite college football team and DIED
We all know those are the calculations being played out behind closed doors.
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I understand what your saying. But people dont look at cancer and covid the same way. You cant cough on me and give me cancer. It's my choice to smoke, drink, eat processed food, etc. I can control whether I do those things.
You are completely missing my take on this. I agree this may be just like the flu. But the general public doesn't know that yet. That is why we need the focus on antibody testing so we can show the population that this was an overreaction. But until then, on paper, the death rate looks way worse than the flu. Yes, the media isn't helping. There is a high percentage of Americans that are prone to fear. The testing to show the statistics are similar to the normal flu will be what makes people relax a bit and it will be easier to get on with life. -
I can agree with this. I think we might quibble over the scale of the testing, but what is really important here is that an important bridge has been built in the Tug. That's the sound of healing you hear.BayDawg said:I understand what your saying. But people dont look at cancer and covid the same way. You cant cough on me and give me cancer. It's my choice to smoke, drink, eat processed food, etc. I can control whether I do those things.
You are completely missing my take on this. I agree this may be just like the flu. But the general public doesn't know that yet. That is why we need the focus on antibody testing so we can show the population that this was an overreaction. But until then, on paper, the death rate looks way worse than the flu. Yes, the media isn't helping. There is a high percentage of Americans that are prone to fear. The testing to show the statistics are similar to the normal flu will be what makes people relax a bit and it will be easier to get on with life.
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Easier decision if the death numbers weren't wildly wrong.
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The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helping
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It's not helping. At all. Again, this isn't political for me. I'm just thinking as an intelligent UW graduate. The fact that this dilemma has become political is really a shame. I think everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants the same thing. And my solution to getting our country back to work is by testing for antibodies on a large scale and showing our citizens that the disease isn't the rampant killer some think it is. And work like hell on a vaccine. Until then there is going to be a big pushback on going back to business as usual. That's not red or blue. It's the fear of not totally knowing what we are up against. I wouldn't consider myself in that crowd, but I will say I do have some of the underlying conditions they are talking about and occasionally it gives me pause.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helpinghttps://youtu.be/o8Fapc0aDaQ -
I didn’t say it was read or blue. I said the media and politicians (local, state and federal) could all stop fear mongering, report facts without emotion and people wouldn’t need testing. But a death count tote board up one CNN all day and every newscast leading with a “grim new milestone” has resulting in panic akin to yelling fire in a crowded place. If the panic these people whipped up for their own gain isn’t going to change, why would testing even help? We know what we are up against. A virus like other viruses that kill as many but with out the panic. People are just going to start defying the orders, telling the Karen’s to fuck off and go about their lives.BayDawg said:
It's not helping. At all. Again, this isn't political for me. I'm just thinking as an intelligent UW graduate. The fact that this dilemma has become political is really a shame. I think everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants the same thing. And my solution to getting our country back to work is by testing for antibodies on a large scale and showing our citizens that the disease isn't the rampant killer some think it is. And work like hell on a vaccine. Until then there is going to be a big pushback on going back to business as usual. That's not red or blue. It's the fear of not totally knowing what we are up against. I wouldn't consider myself in that crowd, but I will say I do have some of the underlying conditions they are talking about and occasionally it gives me pause.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helpinghttps://youtu.be/o8Fapc0aDaQ
