Massive and frequent testing is our only way out of this
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Debunking is easy. They've been wrong. Fascinated?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Okay!MikeDamone said:
“Most of the world” = politicians who panicked based on faulty computer models and then realized it was perfect opportunity to advance and agenda. See Gavin Newsom for details.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Whether or not that's true is a moot point. The Tug isn't going to be in charge of the pandemic response anytime soon.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
What is true is that most of the world is convinced that letting the disease run amok will overwhelm the hospital systems. You can argue about how stupid that is, but no government is going to choose door 1 of "let's go back to normal with no mitigating steps". So the only realistic way out of here is wide scale testing.
I'm sure your debunking of the "computer models" is a fascinating read, but the fact remains that the world economy isn't going to open back up for business whether you, me, or even fucking Trump thinks it's safe to do so. That's not happening until confidence is restored, and right now testing looks like the fastest way to get that done. -
Fascinated, captivated, all of it.MikeDamone said:
Debunking is easy. They've been wrong. Fascinated?GreenRiverGatorz said:
Okay!MikeDamone said:
“Most of the world” = politicians who panicked based on faulty computer models and then realized it was perfect opportunity to advance and agenda. See Gavin Newsom for details.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Whether or not that's true is a moot point. The Tug isn't going to be in charge of the pandemic response anytime soon.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
What is true is that most of the world is convinced that letting the disease run amok will overwhelm the hospital systems. You can argue about how stupid that is, but no government is going to choose door 1 of "let's go back to normal with no mitigating steps". So the only realistic way out of here is wide scale testing.
I'm sure your debunking of the "computer models" is a fascinating read, but the fact remains that the world economy isn't going to open back up for business whether you, me, or even fucking Trump thinks it's safe to do so. That's not happening until confidence is restored, and right now testing looks like the fastest way to get that done. -
The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen. -
I'm certain that my hostility level would be way higher if we weren't still working and I wasn't able to keep the people at our company employed. So far, the impact on our business has been fairly small, but the operational issues this has caused have been huge. And I wasn't born yesterday - I realize that our ability to weather this has a time limit - I'm not exactly sure what that is - but I get the feeling we're getting close to it.RaceBannon said:
I agree since I didn't say business leaders got us here. I said the experts diddflea said:Business leaders got us here?
No they didn't.
These guys are experts - in business, not health care, and they say we need mass testing. Of course, the Coca Cola CEO got behind new Coke, so maybe they aren't experts.
Is there a problem with mass testing? Is it about muh freedom? Did I miss the case against mass testing? Did Hillary say we need mass testing?
Look Fauci could be a saint selflessly toiling for 40 years as a DC drone but human nature is undefeated. The guy became a rock star over night and now he's planning MLB and NFL games.
Elected leaders may be morons but at least they are elected. I know from 20 years of exchanging posts with you that you have more common sense and brains in your pinky that your average functionary
Give the functionary a taste of power and fame and they are going to want to keep it.
Business leaders are far more in tune with Trump. But they will pussy out too if they think they will get ripped on Twitter
It was easier to get in this than it will be to get out of it
We should keep that in mind.
I don't think any of here are all that far apart. The devil is in the details
And I'm way past my personal limit. I'm not someone who likes to be told what to do, and I sure a fuck don't like being cooped up at home without being able to fish or carry on any kind of normal life. However, 31k dead in a few weeks isn't something people are going to ignore. They'll ignore 400k dead every year from tobacco use - but that happens in the background and I'm not going to catch lung cancer from you at the Husky game.
I don't believe a vaccine will take a year. Other vaccines might have - but the world didn't shut down due to them - so this is a special case. I can see it taking months, but vaccines take a year because of cumbersome regulations and testing and that shit has to be streamlined for cv19.
All I know is there's lots of bedwetting going on. It's either "we're all going to die from covid19!!" or it's "we're all going to die from starvation!". I don't think either is going to happen, but you can't deny it's been interesting to watch it unfold. I didn't expect toilet paper would be the hot commodity. -
There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that. -
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that. -
I don'[t think the evidence is in that the VId is as bad as advertised, hence the shifting sands of time
So far the evidence points to a massive over reaction that took on a life of its own and scared our soft fucking population to death
Now undo it
We've gone from a rational acceptance that loads of people die everyday from all sorts of shit to not one person can die if we re open. -
If a million would die then I agree, some type of targeted mitigation is required. The issue is, I am not convinced a million would die. I do not think we have accurate statistics to support that assertion.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that. -
Hi there. Anywhere from 25K to 70K people die every year from the virus' that we already have vaccinations for.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that.
Coronabros make 2 major mistakes.
They still consider epidemiologists, who have been guessing all the way through this, to be experts.
And they think that we can somehow snap our fingers to think that even 2 months from now, our way of life will be remotely the same as it is now.
People have the stomach for mass death once they get used to it.
One only needs to look at the hundreds of thousands that die from cancer here in America. If people really wanted to DO SOMETHING!!! They would demand that tobacco products and all of the BS that is put in our food be BANNED. No warning. Gone.
But they don't. Because that would involve too much effort. So we will continue to lose over a half million people to cancer each year and not do anything about it.
But because the media and local Governments have told us that we are all going to die from corona, we need to repeal half of the bill of rights and destroy our way of life because we MAY lose what is lost during a bad flu season.
And that's fucked up.
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The problem is that we don't have accurate statistics that give us any way of estimating what the unknown variable is - how many people would die if we let the virus run its course with no intervention?Swaye said:
If a million would die then I agree, some type of targeted mitigation is required. The issue is, I am not convinced a million would die. I do not think we have accurate statistics to support that assertion.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that.
It could be small, it could be massive. Most people I see trying to guess fall neatly into one of the two camps based on their ideology. A coincidence I'm sure. Widespread testing gives us a much clearer answer and puts an end to this fucktarded partisan guessing game. -
The logistics are insane, comparing a long lead time project to this is dumb.dflea said:
lolBob_C said:
Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.
Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
We put a man on the moon, can't pull off widespread testing.
Sure thing.
Business leaders told Trump mass testing is critical. Bulletin board Bob_C says it isn't, not even possible.
Take you pick
If people were at work it could’ve actually been run through employers in a semi efficient manner. Too late there, everyone has been sent home.
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You're not wrong. It would require a staggering reallocation of resources. New labs would either need to be converted or straight up built. The current infrastructure is not there.Bob_C said:
The logistics are insane, comparing a long lead time project to this is dumb.dflea said:
lolBob_C said:
Now it seems like it’s shifted to a narrative that not one more person can die, doesn’t matter what that costs.MikeDamone said:The hospital system isn't and was never going to be overwhelmed.
We were lied to about the capacity issues being real, but at least that early narrative had some semblance of logic from a business and resources perspective.
Mass testing is fucking stupid and isn’t going to happen. It’s totally unexecutable and not necessary, targeted sampling is enough.
We put a man on the moon, can't pull off widespread testing.
Sure thing.
Business leaders told Trump mass testing is critical. Bulletin board Bob_C says it isn't, not even possible.
Take you pick
If people were at work it could’ve actually been run through employers in a semi efficient manner. Too late there, everyone has been sent home. -
I was saying three weeks ago let's do some random sample testing. I don't even think it needs to be huge numbers. I am no expert but my guess is 50K tests spread between rural and city dwellers dispersed in all 50 states and we would have a decent model of how infected we really are, and then we could start making some real estimates on mortality rates. I am all for it. Could probably test 50K people in specific locations in a week. Let's get on with it.GreenRiverGatorz said:
The problem is that we don't have accurate statistics that give us any way of estimating what the unknown variable is - how many people would die if we let the virus run its course with no intervention?Swaye said:
If a million would die then I agree, some type of targeted mitigation is required. The issue is, I am not convinced a million would die. I do not think we have accurate statistics to support that assertion.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that.
It could be small, it could be massive. Most people I see trying to guess fall neatly into one of the two camps based on their ideology. A coincidence I'm sure. Widespread testing gives us a much clearer answer and puts an end to this fucktarded partisan guessing game. -
What if testing is partisan? Then what? We tested everyone but they could still get it
Politicians love to kick the can down the road and they aren't going out on a limb here. Testing is the latest reason not to open. There will be another one until enough "leaders" have the balls to lead. The second wave!!!!!
What happens when Tom Rinaldi and his piano do a Gameday segment on Jimmy Spitz who went to watch his favorite college football team and DIED
We all know those are the calculations being played out behind closed doors.
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I understand what your saying. But people dont look at cancer and covid the same way. You cant cough on me and give me cancer. It's my choice to smoke, drink, eat processed food, etc. I can control whether I do those things.
You are completely missing my take on this. I agree this may be just like the flu. But the general public doesn't know that yet. That is why we need the focus on antibody testing so we can show the population that this was an overreaction. But until then, on paper, the death rate looks way worse than the flu. Yes, the media isn't helping. There is a high percentage of Americans that are prone to fear. The testing to show the statistics are similar to the normal flu will be what makes people relax a bit and it will be easier to get on with life. -
I can agree with this. I think we might quibble over the scale of the testing, but what is really important here is that an important bridge has been built in the Tug. That's the sound of healing you hear.BayDawg said:I understand what your saying. But people dont look at cancer and covid the same way. You cant cough on me and give me cancer. It's my choice to smoke, drink, eat processed food, etc. I can control whether I do those things.
You are completely missing my take on this. I agree this may be just like the flu. But the general public doesn't know that yet. That is why we need the focus on antibody testing so we can show the population that this was an overreaction. But until then, on paper, the death rate looks way worse than the flu. Yes, the media isn't helping. There is a high percentage of Americans that are prone to fear. The testing to show the statistics are similar to the normal flu will be what makes people relax a bit and it will be easier to get on with life.
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Easier decision if the death numbers weren't wildly wrong.
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The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helping
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It's not helping. At all. Again, this isn't political for me. I'm just thinking as an intelligent UW graduate. The fact that this dilemma has become political is really a shame. I think everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants the same thing. And my solution to getting our country back to work is by testing for antibodies on a large scale and showing our citizens that the disease isn't the rampant killer some think it is. And work like hell on a vaccine. Until then there is going to be a big pushback on going back to business as usual. That's not red or blue. It's the fear of not totally knowing what we are up against. I wouldn't consider myself in that crowd, but I will say I do have some of the underlying conditions they are talking about and occasionally it gives me pause.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helpinghttps://youtu.be/o8Fapc0aDaQ -
I didn’t say it was read or blue. I said the media and politicians (local, state and federal) could all stop fear mongering, report facts without emotion and people wouldn’t need testing. But a death count tote board up one CNN all day and every newscast leading with a “grim new milestone” has resulting in panic akin to yelling fire in a crowded place. If the panic these people whipped up for their own gain isn’t going to change, why would testing even help? We know what we are up against. A virus like other viruses that kill as many but with out the panic. People are just going to start defying the orders, telling the Karen’s to fuck off and go about their lives.BayDawg said:
It's not helping. At all. Again, this isn't political for me. I'm just thinking as an intelligent UW graduate. The fact that this dilemma has become political is really a shame. I think everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants the same thing. And my solution to getting our country back to work is by testing for antibodies on a large scale and showing our citizens that the disease isn't the rampant killer some think it is. And work like hell on a vaccine. Until then there is going to be a big pushback on going back to business as usual. That's not red or blue. It's the fear of not totally knowing what we are up against. I wouldn't consider myself in that crowd, but I will say I do have some of the underlying conditions they are talking about and occasionally it gives me pause.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
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GreenRiverGatorz said:
The problem is that we don't have accurate statistics that give us any way of estimating what the unknown variable is - how many people would die if we let the virus run its course with no intervention?Swaye said:
If a million would die then I agree, some type of targeted mitigation is required. The issue is, I am not convinced a million would die. I do not think we have accurate statistics to support that assertion.BayDawg said:
If only 40,000 people die from this, you are 100% correct. But without a vaccine or mitigation the death number would probably be close to a million. People won't stomach that. Right or wrong, perception is reality.Swaye said:There is another option here besides mass testing, or continual rolling shutdowns.
Let. People. Die. Get. On. With. Life.
Herd immunity works er'y tim. Let's just blow the whistle and play some ball. Will people die? Yep. Get over it. Vaccine will be out soon. Even with vaccines flu kills 40K per year. Oh well. Nobody is hand wringing over that.
It could be small, it could be massive. Most people I see trying to guess fall neatly into one of the two camps based on their ideology. A coincidence I'm sure. Widespread testing gives us a much clearer answer and puts an end to this fucktarded partisan guessing game.
I'm a dumb Coug and I work on a floor with about 20 people on it. Haven't missed a day yet. No one has. Social distancing works. They do it here at my work, they do it at the grocery store. They do it at the gas station. They can do it just about everywhere.BayDawg said:
It's not helping. At all. Again, this isn't political for me. I'm just thinking as an intelligent UW graduate. The fact that this dilemma has become political is really a shame. I think everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants the same thing. And my solution to getting our country back to work is by testing for antibodies on a large scale and showing our citizens that the disease isn't the rampant killer some think it is. And work like hell on a vaccine. Until then there is going to be a big pushback on going back to business as usual. That's not red or blue. It's the fear of not totally knowing what we are up against. I wouldn't consider myself in that crowd, but I will say I do have some of the underlying conditions they are talking about and occasionally it gives me pause.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helpinghttps://youtu.be/o8Fapc0aDaQ
Tell me again that why the state that I live in that has probably 1,000 active cases (1600 hundred historical) and 59 deaths, with most over 80 y/o and all with pre conditions in day 52 from 1st patient, needs to lock themselves inside and destroy it's economy.
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I think testing results would work. Why dont we freak out about the flu? Because we know the statistics. And accept them. I think it is important to do the same with this. And if we do the media can find something else to sensationalize.
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You were lying before.BayDawg said:I think testing results would work. Why dont we freak out about the flu? Because we know the statistics. And accept them. I think it is important to do the same with this. And if we do the media can find something else to sensationalize.
There is nothing intelligent about you. You merely buzz in tone with the rest of the hive.
But the coronabros needed some new blood I guess, so here we are.
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What was I lying about? I haven't really paid attention to you before, but you really are a prick. I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
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Yes. Hold back the tide, Mike. Stand there on the beach and hold it back.MikeDamone said:
The fear factor could be eliminated if the media and politicians stopped fear mongering.BayDawg said:The point with testing is to see who has had it. 50 million people get the flu, 50,000 die and life goes on. We need the ANTIBODIES testing so we can eliminate the fear factor and prove that it isn't as deadly as it is being made out to be. If we can prove 25 million people have had it and only 75,000 people died it will go a long way to getting the country back to business as usual. But without that, (and I'm not saying its correct) many are going to be paralyzed with fear and this could drag on to the point of cratering the US as we know it.
The one thing Trump said that I agree with is the cure cant be worse than the disease. It's true, but until it can be shown that the mortality rate is alot less than it appears as of now it's going to be alot more difficult to convince people. It doesn't matter who 're-opens' the economy, ultimately the American people will decide. My opinion is massive antibodies testing is how that can happen.
Explain to me how this is helpinghttps://youtu.be/o8Fapc0aDaQ
Fear mongering is what they do. It's almost all they do. But sure, let's hope they stop now.
You aren't going to scare someone with immunity whether you're CNN or Fox.
Wow. What a gigantic cunt you are. Why don't you drive up here, Sally. I'll gut you like a fish and filet you on my tailgate. The only mudhole you'll have to worry about is the one I throw your fucking carcass in.salemcoog said:T
You were lying before.BayDawg said:I think testing results would work. Why dont we freak out about the flu? Because we know the statistics. And accept them. I think it is important to do the same with this. And if we do the media can find something else to sensationalize.
There is nothing intelligent about you. You merely buzz in tone with the rest of the hive.
But the coronabros needed some new blood I guess, so here we are.
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Don't take it personally. Like creep running btp in 2019, I broke salem and he's now reduced to angry babbling.BayDawg said:What was I lying about? I haven't really paid attention to you before, but you really are a prick. I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
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Antibody testing, private sector, anybody that wants it can get it. Pay your $75 cash or have your insurer cover it.
If there's huge demand(there will be) then the race is on for supply and the fortunes that can be made.
Large scale randomized testing from the public sector.
Establish the mortality rate and what % of the population is already resistant.
Reopen with social distancing until the above is done. Stop arresting people for surfing and fishing you fucking fascists.
Math, facts, and figures.
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