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Fair point. Woodward is in pretty deep with the good ol boy network.theknowledge said:Jen isn't part of the good ol boys club. ACC and SEC AD's won't even pick up the phone. Lude and Hedges were able to schedule big games because in the 80's and 90's UW was a national brand that had finished in the top 5 multiple times in a 15 year span. It was also a member of what most would agree was a great conference. Under Pool Boy UW got the LSU home and home because he was a good ol' boy and UW was way, way down. UW is now a possible road loss to a team from a MW type conference that would officially end a southern teams title hopes or make their fat middle look weak. I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC commish asks his AD's at schools like Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Vanderbilt to avoid home and home series with teams out west that are competitive to keep the narrative that the SEC is dominant from top to bottom. Wouldn't look good if his 7-6 teams get ass blasted at home by UW or Oregon. Schedule the Cal's, WSU's and Oregon States because winning is fun. The USC's, UW's and Oregon's need to come to Atlanta or Texas to play "neutral" games. Hopefully the stadiums in Las Vegas and Los Angeles attract some SEC teams to play "neutral" games out west but I doubt it. More games with the BIG and Big12 are UW and the PAC 12'S future.
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also don't forget the southern teams will generally schedule the Cal/WSU/Oregon States at neutral fields that are not in fact neutral at all.RoadDawg55 said:
Fair point. Woodward is in pretty deep with the good ol boy network.theknowledge said:Jen isn't part of the good ol boys club. ACC and SEC AD's won't even pick up the phone. Lude and Hedges were able to schedule big games because in the 80's and 90's UW was a national brand that had finished in the top 5 multiple times in a 15 year span. It was also a member of what most would agree was a great conference. Under Pool Boy UW got the LSU home and home because he was a good ol' boy and UW was way, way down. UW is now a possible road loss to a team from a MW type conference that would officially end a southern teams title hopes or make their fat middle look weak. I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC commish asks his AD's at schools like Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Vanderbilt to avoid home and home series with teams out west that are competitive to keep the narrative that the SEC is dominant from top to bottom. Wouldn't look good if his 7-6 teams get ass blasted at home by UW or Oregon. Schedule the Cal's, WSU's and Oregon States because winning is fun. The USC's, UW's and Oregon's need to come to Atlanta or Texas to play "neutral" games. Hopefully the stadiums in Las Vegas and Los Angeles attract some SEC teams to play "neutral" games out west but I doubt it. More games with the BIG and Big12 are UW and the PAC 12'S future.
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Grinder activity has been of the chartsRaceBannon said:Thank goodness we are still GRINDING
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That guy failed his way up to a nattyRoadDawg55 said:
Fair point. Woodward is in pretty deep with the good ol boy network.theknowledge said:Jen isn't part of the good ol boys club. ACC and SEC AD's won't even pick up the phone. Lude and Hedges were able to schedule big games because in the 80's and 90's UW was a national brand that had finished in the top 5 multiple times in a 15 year span. It was also a member of what most would agree was a great conference. Under Pool Boy UW got the LSU home and home because he was a good ol' boy and UW was way, way down. UW is now a possible road loss to a team from a MW type conference that would officially end a southern teams title hopes or make their fat middle look weak. I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC commish asks his AD's at schools like Ole Miss, Missouri, Arkansas, South Carolina and Vanderbilt to avoid home and home series with teams out west that are competitive to keep the narrative that the SEC is dominant from top to bottom. Wouldn't look good if his 7-6 teams get ass blasted at home by UW or Oregon. Schedule the Cal's, WSU's and Oregon States because winning is fun. The USC's, UW's and Oregon's need to come to Atlanta or Texas to play "neutral" games. Hopefully the stadiums in Las Vegas and Los Angeles attract some SEC teams to play "neutral" games out west but I doubt it. More games with the BIG and Big12 are UW and the PAC 12'S future.
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When you get an opportunity to schedule a powerhouse like Kent State, you get your ducks in a row and take a shot. You don’t care about protesters in this situation, you just do it.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
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When you get an opportunity to schedule a powerhouse like Kent State, you get your ducks in a row and take a shot. You don’t care about protesters in this situation, you just do it.GrundleStiltzkin said:
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Not worried about ILB. We had an excusable gap last year from recruiting and playing the wrong guys. The guys this year will be good. I always loved Ah You and could tell he would be good.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
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Agreed. The entire D should be very solid at worst.RoadDawg55 said:
Not worried about ILB. We had an excusable gap last year from recruiting and playing the wrong guys. The guys this year will be good. I always loved Ah You and could tell he would be good.GrundleStiltzkin said: -
Didn't we? entirely loose Hawaii under Lambo?GrundleStiltzkin said: -
Jim was an alcoholic father figure at the Aloha Bowldnc said:
Didn't we? entirely loose Hawaii under Lambo?GrundleStiltzkin said:
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I meant inexcusable gap in my previous post. Kaho and Eifler being gone hurt even tho they haven’t shown much. Eifler is okay for a terrible team.Gladstone said:
Agreed. The entire D should be very solid at worst.RoadDawg55 said:
Not worried about ILB. We had an excusable gap last year from recruiting and playing the wrong guys. The guys this year will be good. I always loved Ah You and could tell he would be good.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I do think it was a blip on the radar tho. What a disappointment Wellington was. And Manu ever seeing the field in a meaningful way was pathetic.
This year tho, we have a ton of young guys and Kwat is a no bullshit guy and reading what he said cements my option that the group would be pretty good and much improved from last year.
We’ve seen Ulo play very well. It wasn’t a huge sample size, but he didn’t play at a decent level, he played at a very high level.
I’m not huge on Sirmon, but he did improve as the season went on. I don’t see it with tho. He should improve at least one of the young R-Fr will pass him.
Heimuli was very highly rated. Calvert was a very solid recruit. Ah You seemed very underrated to me as well. Kwats comments about him being fast and decisive were exactly what his high school Hudl could be described as. -
On paper, our D should be the best or 2nd best in the pac 12. Only team that comes close is Oregon and I like what we return at DL and Secondary better than what they bring back. At LB, we have 4-star guys waiting in the wings. If they step up, we could be elite. If everyone clicks (Levi, Tryon, and Molden have all-American seasons, Taylor tightens up, young LBs flash greatness), we could have one of the top defenses in the country again.RoadDawg55 said:
I meant inexcusable gap in my previous post. Kaho and Eifler being gone hurt even tho they haven’t shown much. Eifler is okay for a terrible team.Gladstone said:
Agreed. The entire D should be very solid at worst.RoadDawg55 said:
Not worried about ILB. We had an excusable gap last year from recruiting and playing the wrong guys. The guys this year will be good. I always loved Ah You and could tell he would be good.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I do think it was a blip on the radar tho. What a disappointment Wellington was. And Manu ever seeing the field in a meaningful way was pathetic.
This year tho, we have a ton of young guys and Kwat is a no bullshit guy and reading what he said cements my option that the group would be pretty good and much improved from last year.
We’ve seen Ulo play very well. It wasn’t a huge sample size, but he didn’t play at a decent level, he played at a very high level.
I’m not huge on Sirmon, but he did improve as the season went on. I don’t see it with tho. He should improve at least one of the young R-Fr will pass him.
Heimuli was very highly rated. Calvert was a very solid recruit. Ah You seemed very underrated to me as well. Kwats comments about him being fast and decisive were exactly what his high school Hudl could be described as.
On offense, we should be better at WR and RB for sure (imo 3rd year Newton + Cam Davis > Ahmed). OL could actually be better as well. All the young guys who came in last year were competent. Adams was a shell of his former self last year. Since the guys moving up are all Huff's recruits, they might respond better to him. At QB, we have 3 high rated, 4* recruits. Find one that works.
Overall, we have the horses. If Lake is a good coach, we can win the Pac rather easily. If we struggle, we'll know Lake isnt the guy. -
I think we have the horses, but if we don’t have a top 3-4 in the conference QB, we won’t win the conference. I don’t think we have that either despite their high star rankings. Donovan is a very suspect hire and Jimmy is a new head coach.bananasnblondes said:
On paper, our D should be the best or 2nd best in the pac 12. Only team that comes close is Oregon and I like what we return at DL and Secondary better than what they bring back. At LB, we have 4-star guys waiting in the wings. If they step up, we could be elite. If everyone clicks (Levi, Tryon, and Molden have all-American seasons, Taylor tightens up, young LBs flash greatness), we could have one of the top defenses in the country again.RoadDawg55 said:
I meant inexcusable gap in my previous post. Kaho and Eifler being gone hurt even tho they haven’t shown much. Eifler is okay for a terrible team.Gladstone said:
Agreed. The entire D should be very solid at worst.RoadDawg55 said:
Not worried about ILB. We had an excusable gap last year from recruiting and playing the wrong guys. The guys this year will be good. I always loved Ah You and could tell he would be good.GrundleStiltzkin said:
I do think it was a blip on the radar tho. What a disappointment Wellington was. And Manu ever seeing the field in a meaningful way was pathetic.
This year tho, we have a ton of young guys and Kwat is a no bullshit guy and reading what he said cements my option that the group would be pretty good and much improved from last year.
We’ve seen Ulo play very well. It wasn’t a huge sample size, but he didn’t play at a decent level, he played at a very high level.
I’m not huge on Sirmon, but he did improve as the season went on. I don’t see it with tho. He should improve at least one of the young R-Fr will pass him.
Heimuli was very highly rated. Calvert was a very solid recruit. Ah You seemed very underrated to me as well. Kwats comments about him being fast and decisive were exactly what his high school Hudl could be described as.
On offense, we should be better at WR and RB for sure (imo 3rd year Newton + Cam Davis > Ahmed). OL could actually be better as well. All the young guys who came in last year were competent. Adams was a shell of his former self last year. Since the guys moving up are all Huff's recruits, they might respond better to him. At QB, we have 3 high rated, 4* recruits. Find one that works.
Overall, we have the horses. If Lake is a good coach, we can win the Pac rather easily. If we struggle, we'll know Lake isnt the guy.
I think we will have the best defense in the conference. Our offense is bad until proven otherwise. The QB situation and Donovan make me have doubts. -
I was thinking about the Bama game roster the other day and in retrospect it was pretty fucking loaded.RoadDawg55 said:
We aren’t David. We put tons of guys in the NFL. When we were David, we went 12-2 and played Bama. We got worse as we got more Goliath’s (mostly overrated, low 4 star recruits). If you expect UW to out recruit Ohio State, you’re going to be forever disappointed.TurdBomber said:
Absolute proof and a reminder that 99 times out of a 100, Goliath Stomps David's ass. Peterson bet on David way too often.dnc said:
The big flaw in the level up logic of the 4star ratio automatically making us better was downplaying the actual talent of the 3star guys on the field that year.
The argument was something like “we’re this good with Sydney Jones and Kevin King, imagine what we can do with (insert 4 star recruits)”
Ballz was adamant we should never recruit guys like that moving forward because they weren’t “elite”. At a certain point, good is good.
The entire defense (outside of Psalm who honorably chose a professional rugby career) was drafted into the NFL.
Offense had 3 NFL receivers (including the fastest guy in NFL history), 2NFL TE, NFL RB, and at least 3 NFL lineman suited up.
Game was lost on the sidelines, just like all the big games were. -
But we were never again gonna get those kinda results out of recruits stolen from OSU and Boise. It was a struck by lightning scenario. We needed to level up just to keep the momentum going let alone actually get to the next level.Doogles said:
I was thinking about the Bama game roster the other day and in retrospect it was pretty fucking loaded.RoadDawg55 said:
We aren’t David. We put tons of guys in the NFL. When we were David, we went 12-2 and played Bama. We got worse as we got more Goliath’s (mostly overrated, low 4 star recruits). If you expect UW to out recruit Ohio State, you’re going to be forever disappointed.TurdBomber said:
Absolute proof and a reminder that 99 times out of a 100, Goliath Stomps David's ass. Peterson bet on David way too often.dnc said:
The big flaw in the level up logic of the 4star ratio automatically making us better was downplaying the actual talent of the 3star guys on the field that year.
The argument was something like “we’re this good with Sydney Jones and Kevin King, imagine what we can do with (insert 4 star recruits)”
Ballz was adamant we should never recruit guys like that moving forward because they weren’t “elite”. At a certain point, good is good.
The entire defense (outside of Psalm who honorably chose a professional rugby career) was drafted into the NFL.
Offense had 3 NFL receivers (including the fastest guy in NFL history), 2NFL TE, NFL RB, and at least 3 NFL lineman suited up.
Game was lost on the sidelines, just like all the big games were. -
I’m not arguing on leveling up recruiting being a bad thing, just the idea that we were automatically going to be better as Washington 2.0 because the new guys were higher ranked.FremontTroll said:
But we were never again gonna get those kinda results out of recruits stolen from OSU and Boise. It was a struck by lightning scenario. We needed to level up just to keep the momentum going let alone actually get to the next level.Doogles said:
I was thinking about the Bama game roster the other day and in retrospect it was pretty fucking loaded.RoadDawg55 said:
We aren’t David. We put tons of guys in the NFL. When we were David, we went 12-2 and played Bama. We got worse as we got more Goliath’s (mostly overrated, low 4 star recruits). If you expect UW to out recruit Ohio State, you’re going to be forever disappointed.TurdBomber said:
Absolute proof and a reminder that 99 times out of a 100, Goliath Stomps David's ass. Peterson bet on David way too often.dnc said:
The big flaw in the level up logic of the 4star ratio automatically making us better was downplaying the actual talent of the 3star guys on the field that year.
The argument was something like “we’re this good with Sydney Jones and Kevin King, imagine what we can do with (insert 4 star recruits)”
Ballz was adamant we should never recruit guys like that moving forward because they weren’t “elite”. At a certain point, good is good.
The entire defense (outside of Psalm who honorably chose a professional rugby career) was drafted into the NFL.
Offense had 3 NFL receivers (including the fastest guy in NFL history), 2NFL TE, NFL RB, and at least 3 NFL lineman suited up.
Game was lost on the sidelines, just like all the big games were.
The players were at the “level” that year. The coaches weren’t on game day.
It’s always going to be a lightning strike scenario for Washington. We need a BillyJoe/Tui/Deshaun Watson type QB plus a 2016ish roster. That’s about as talented as it gets here.
That’s why Pete’s tenure is so frustrating, he consistently had us right there and odds are he would have broken through eventually but he lost his love for the game and the team fell off.
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Roster was good but it was the depth. Not having Mathis and pre-injury Victor killed us on D...BBK was the replacement at 200lbs at the time and got run over consistently because of it. On offense you had to start a 260 lb true freshman RG because you didn’t have anything else and that caused a ton of problems.Doogles said:
I was thinking about the Bama game roster the other day and in retrospect it was pretty fucking loaded.RoadDawg55 said:
We aren’t David. We put tons of guys in the NFL. When we were David, we went 12-2 and played Bama. We got worse as we got more Goliath’s (mostly overrated, low 4 star recruits). If you expect UW to out recruit Ohio State, you’re going to be forever disappointed.TurdBomber said:
Absolute proof and a reminder that 99 times out of a 100, Goliath Stomps David's ass. Peterson bet on David way too often.dnc said:
The big flaw in the level up logic of the 4star ratio automatically making us better was downplaying the actual talent of the 3star guys on the field that year.
The argument was something like “we’re this good with Sydney Jones and Kevin King, imagine what we can do with (insert 4 star recruits)”
Ballz was adamant we should never recruit guys like that moving forward because they weren’t “elite”. At a certain point, good is good.
The entire defense (outside of Psalm who honorably chose a professional rugby career) was drafted into the NFL.
Offense had 3 NFL receivers (including the fastest guy in NFL history), 2NFL TE, NFL RB, and at least 3 NFL lineman suited up.
Game was lost on the sidelines, just like all the big games were. -
Your point is overall correct, but one detail deserves correction: For starters, 2016 was BBK's worst season, IMO, because that was the year he got too big too fast and lost his speed (can we abbreviate that into a new verb moving forward? I nominate "FSPing it"). So he was up closer to 215 that year. Moot point, though, because it was Beavers who came in for Victor in 2016, and, although he was no Victor (count on one hand guys who were 2016 Victor in Husky history), he balled the fuck out that season in reserve. Really pleasant surprise. My recollection of the Bama game was that there was maybe a play or two that Victor would have made that Beavers didn't. It wasn't a huge gap. Your point stands, though: Having Victor AND Beavers playing like that behind him is how you win big games like that.HoustonHusky said:
Roster was good but it was the depth. Not having Mathis and pre-injury Victor killed us on D...BBK was the replacement at 200lbs at the time and got run over consistently because of it. On offense you had to start a 260 lb true freshman RG because you didn’t have anything else and that caused a ton of problems.Doogles said:
I was thinking about the Bama game roster the other day and in retrospect it was pretty fucking loaded.RoadDawg55 said:
We aren’t David. We put tons of guys in the NFL. When we were David, we went 12-2 and played Bama. We got worse as we got more Goliath’s (mostly overrated, low 4 star recruits). If you expect UW to out recruit Ohio State, you’re going to be forever disappointed.TurdBomber said:
Absolute proof and a reminder that 99 times out of a 100, Goliath Stomps David's ass. Peterson bet on David way too often.dnc said:
The big flaw in the level up logic of the 4star ratio automatically making us better was downplaying the actual talent of the 3star guys on the field that year.
The argument was something like “we’re this good with Sydney Jones and Kevin King, imagine what we can do with (insert 4 star recruits)”
Ballz was adamant we should never recruit guys like that moving forward because they weren’t “elite”. At a certain point, good is good.
The entire defense (outside of Psalm who honorably chose a professional rugby career) was drafted into the NFL.
Offense had 3 NFL receivers (including the fastest guy in NFL history), 2NFL TE, NFL RB, and at least 3 NFL lineman suited up.
Game was lost on the sidelines, just like all the big games were.
It was surprising at the tim, considering how dominant and intimidating Victor was, but Mathis turned out to be the far bigger loss from that defense, as there was just nobody behind him who was close to that level.
/President of BBK fan club (pre-haircut, of course)
