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Republicans vs. Democrats: The Presidents
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I remember @RaceBannon 's defending FDR phase before the classical libs cool kids got a hold of him.RaceBannon said:
Wowcreepycoug said:
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.RaceBannon said:
True colors revealedcreepycoug said:
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?LebamDawg said:Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you -
@ClassicalLiberalDawg? true?YellowSnow said:
I remember @RaceBannon 's defending FDR phase before the classical libs cool kids got a hold of him.RaceBannon said:
Wowcreepycoug said:
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.RaceBannon said:
True colors revealedcreepycoug said:
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?LebamDawg said:Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you -
I missed this thread. Must have been in my I don't care about presidents phase
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FDR seems to be free falling in the HH Presidential rankings.MikeDamone said:I missed this thread. Must have been in my I don't care about presidents phase
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You've gone way over in defending himYellowSnow said:
I remember @RaceBannon 's defending FDR phase before the classical libs cool kids got a hold of him.RaceBannon said:
Wowcreepycoug said:
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.RaceBannon said:
True colors revealedcreepycoug said:
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?LebamDawg said:Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you
I acknowledged we did need to do something to stop the red menace
What I said today was he was an anti semite and his policies on economics were failures
And now the scourge of socialism is BACK and alleged conservatives are still sympathetic
Once you give the left an inch the problem never gets solved, it just needs more government power. FDR was part of this problem
You think too black and white. I live in the grey with the classic intellectuals -
And I take back that it was unintended That was a fucking stupid post on my part
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Why, thank you.RaceBannon said:
You've gone way over in defending himYellowSnow said:
I remember @RaceBannon 's defending FDR phase before the classical libs cool kids got a hold of him.RaceBannon said:
Wowcreepycoug said:
My colors are what they are, with or w/o your imprimatur, and I'm not asking to join any clubs here.RaceBannon said:
True colors revealedcreepycoug said:
In a word: _Leadership. They held office during difficult times, showed up, and helped. FDR is an absolute no-brainer. My God. What do you want?LebamDawg said:Jefferson and Adams were the best, Lincoln great, Eisenhower good, Teddy real good. LBJ and Nixon sucked. Carter always too high on any list.
Why does everyone have a love affair with FDR and JFK?
When I was a ute in the 60's FDR was still widely known as a socialist fuck up by real rock ribbed conservatives in Olympia and Aberdeen
People rippin Reagan in this thread despite the economic and cultural miracle of the 80's. FDR needed 12 years and a world war to fix the economy
Over rated clap clap clap clap clap
The difference between a card carrying paper hanger and an independent thinker is the ability to assess things dispassionately. The piece about Marx doesn't make me a Marxist, as should have been evident in my prose. It's just a discussion, and I was drafting behind Dick Posner, a man with solid conservative creds but who has wandered about on various issues.
Reagan was a good president in my eyes because he respected markets and private property. Reagan, as others have pointed out, was a bad president because he invited the fundies into the tent. What happened to him in the end was just a matter of biology and I don't hold it against him. I like him, but I don't pray to him.
The New Deal is not something I'd want to be a permanent fact of life in the U.S., but then again I didn't have to lead the country out of a depression. You were there; you know how bad it was. He thought he had to do something. And his qualitative leadership during the great war is unassailable. You can think what you want, but admiring FDR hardly makes anyone a liberal. Jesus.
I was waiting for your reply to point out that the massive Federal state we have now is most likely an UNINTENDED consequence of FDR's efforts to save the republic from actual socialists and communists
I've defended FDR myself despite an onslaught of Mike Damone down votes
What you missed, and maybe have a cup o joe, is that I was making fun of my own relatives on the 60's who called FDR a red.
I didn't vote for Reagan even though I had two chances to do so and even though @Dennis_DeYoung down voted me for pointing out some positives.
I'm in my club. Fuck the rest of you
I acknowledged we did need to do something to stop the red menace
What I said today was he was an anti semite and his policies on economics were failures
And now the scourge of socialism is BACK and alleged conservatives are still sympathetic
Once you give the left an inch the problem never gets solved, it just needs more government power. FDR was part of this problem
You think too black and white. I live in the grey with the classic intellectuals
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Woodrow Wilson was a fucking racist.
