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Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
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I'm don't care so much about leaving early. Just skipping the bowl game is quitting. I hate quitters. Fuck himBeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
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Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid. -
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best -
Metcalf is a great comp. Bryant probably a little slower in straight line speed and burst but beats Metcalf in everything else. Metcalf was still the 64th pick. Bryant is going top 2 rounds rather easily.
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Like I said I’ll take the under on pick 109 (first pick of the fourth round). You can take the over.BeerThirty said:
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best
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I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
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I see a top 100 pick. He is probably going to run 4.5-4.6 in his underwear. A team with multiple compensatory picks in the 3rd rd will take a flier on him.BeerThirty said:
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best -
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign. -
Metcalf is like a 4.4, 4.3 guy with two to three inches (height) on Hunter. Hunter is basically a smaller slower Metcalf, so a worse player guaranteed.Bread said:Metcalf is a great comp. Bryant probably a little slower in straight line speed and burst but beats Metcalf in everything else. Metcalf was still the 64th pick. Bryant is going top 2 rounds rather easily.
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Your players suck
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Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines... -
I'm a Cam Davis fan but until I see otherwise Newton is probably the only offensive player who can achieve an erection.backthepack said:
Oh god. Cam Davis is the starting RB next year. Cook it.Houhusky said:Otton > Byrant
Newton > Ahmed
lots of addition by subtraction going to drop soon -
So do yours. 7-5 bros!!’Pitchfork51 said:Your players suck
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I'll take this bet. Gentleman's stakes? aka a handie behind the 7-11?dnc said:
Like I said I’ll take the under on pick 109 (first pick of the fourth round). You can take the over.BeerThirty said:
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best
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Winner picks the loosers sig pick!Emoterman said:
I'll take this bet. Gentleman's stakes? aka a handie behind the 7-11?dnc said:
Like I said I’ll take the under on pick 109 (first pick of the fourth round). You can take the over.BeerThirty said:
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best
Good luck. -
Winner fucks the losers sick pig?dnc said:
Winner picks the loosers sig pick!Emoterman said:
I'll take this bet. Gentleman's stakes? aka a handie behind the 7-11?dnc said:
Like I said I’ll take the under on pick 109 (first pick of the fourth round). You can take the over.BeerThirty said:
We'll see. Metcalf is also a physical freak on a level that Bryant isn't. Like apples and oranges. I hope Bryant is drafted and has a great career, makes UW look good.dnc said:
Day 3 “at best” = you don’t expect him to be drafted.BeerThirty said:Day 3 pick at best. Dont want to sound like I'm bashing him but he has played 1 full season in 3 years and didn't have that good of a year. Dropped way too many passes. Best of luck to him but oh what could have been.....
Decaf Metcalf drops like every fourth pass but he went at the end of the second round because he’s a playmaker. So is Bryant.
I was disappointed in the drops til but they’re not gonna knock him out if the draft, don’t be stupid.
You really think Bryant will be drafted in the first 3 rounds? You don't be stupid. Day 3 pick at best
Good luck. -
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward. -
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
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Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done. -
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH -
God I love you Damone.MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? Uws health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH -
My ranking.MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? Uws health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH
We can agree to disagree on the health. I don't think we lost a single starter on defense. RB's and a true freshman WR got hurt. That's less injuries than most programs on a given year IMO.
But hey if you wanna join BTP on the Fire Socha wagon don't let me stop you. -
Ankle sprains; A broken foot; a knee sprain, that's on the S&C coach? How about pussies that avoid the weight room? Should Kyler Manu be 4.6 guy, in his 5th year in the program?MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH -
College football is almost dead to me anyways.
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I'm not the one saying UW has a top 5 ranked strength coach. You tell me. I've just been googling those ranking over here and can't find them. Seems like maybe that ranking is bullshit.Baseman said:
Ankle sprains; A broken foot; a knee sprain, that's on the S&C coach? How about pussies that avoid the weight room? Should Kyler Manu be 4.6 guy, in his 5th year in the program?MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH -
You caught me Damone. Can't get anything by you.MikeDamone said:
I'm not the one saying UW has a top 5 ranked strength coach. You tell me. I've just been googling those ranking over here and can't find them. Seems like maybe that ranking is bullshit.Baseman said:
Ankle sprains; A broken foot; a knee sprain, that's on the S&C coach? How about pussies that avoid the weight room? Should Kyler Manu be 4.6 guy, in his 5th year in the program?MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH -
What is the nonsense? Follow Dante on any social media and it's clear that he can't be bothered to so much as pick up a weight during the off-season. He's about to play his way off of the niners due to his laziness. Socha can only do so much for players who don't give a shit or don't have the frames to fill out. Trying to blame him is just casting an empty rod looking for bullshit answers.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines... -
I'm not saying it either. Fuck the rankings. Sochas results have been stellar. I suppose there's someone better. Fuck if I know who?MikeDamone said:
I'm not the one saying UW has a top 5 ranked strength coach. You tell me. I've just been googling those ranking over here and can't find them. Seems like maybe that ranking is bullshit.Baseman said:
Ankle sprains; A broken foot; a knee sprain, that's on the S&C coach? How about pussies that avoid the weight room? Should Kyler Manu be 4.6 guy, in his 5th year in the program?MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH
I do know our players except for Tray Adams have avoided major injury. Vita, Gaines, and McGary dominated early on and showed well at the NFL Combine. There's John Ross's record breaking 40 time. BBK, all the DBs, Dissly, Sample. Gaskins was extremely durable. Facts. I could go on.
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Case closedBaseman said:
I'm not saying it either. Fuck the rankings. Sochas results have been stellar. I suppose there's someone better. Fuck if I know who?MikeDamone said:
I'm not the one saying UW has a top 5 ranked strength coach. You tell me. I've just been googling those ranking over here and can't find them. Seems like maybe that ranking is bullshit.Baseman said:
Ankle sprains; A broken foot; a knee sprain, that's on the S&C coach? How about pussies that avoid the weight room? Should Kyler Manu be 4.6 guy, in his 5th year in the program?MikeDamone said:
So it's your ranking or is there some ranking out there? UWs health was horrible.dnc said:
Physical development. Health. Performance.MikeDamone said:
By what criteria do you rank strength coaches?dnc said:
This is ridiculous cherry picking. I could give you fifty examples of kids who far exceeded strength and conditioning expectations under Socha. Socha made Pettis into a second round pick unless you want to credit that to our exquisite WR coaching. We’ve owned the NFL Draft combine since Socha got here with barely top 25 caliber recruits in those classes.backthepack said:
Why? we got abused in the 4Q by fucking Oregon and the stache. Dante’s comments about not being big enough for the NFL. Byron weighing in at 175 and subsequently getting up to 195 under a REAL S&C progrum. Preventable Injuries. Ngata being malnourished etc.dnc said:
No they’re not.backthepack said:I hope KB, Pao, Gregory, Bush and Socha are next (Dante’s comments were pretty damning)
Fuck off with this Socha campaign.
Our guys look gassed in the 4th quarter lol. Look at the guts on the lines...
Socha has been top 5 S & C coach in the country in his tenure here. This year wasn’t great. Only an idiot looks at the past six years of results and thinks 2019 is the likely result going forward.
Obviously that third one was shit this year. I’m sure that had nothing to do with having an HC who was done.
HTH
I do know our players except for Tray Adams have avoided major injury. Vita, Gaines, and McGary dominated early on and showed well at the NFL Combine. There's John Ross's record breaking 40 time. BBK, all the DBs, Dissly, Sample. Gaskins was extremely durable. Facts. I could go on.