The only good thing about Lake to HC
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This.Swaye said:Lake can start winning me over by firing Bob Gregory. Tomorrow.
Honestly, if Coach K stays (I am a bit worried whether he is ready for retirement after Pete) then I am not concerned how much Lake is responsible for our defense last couple of years. There are a lot more important qualities for a HC than being a good game day DC (we have K for that hopefully) -- leadership, motivation, organization skill, identifying the right assistants etc. -
My entire poast didnt come through like I intended. It wasn't a response to you and there was more that was supposed to be a response to GRG. I agreed with your response to his disagreement. I'm ok with the change and had issues with Peterson. I understand your ultimate position but think change is a good thing here. Better to get on with it than stick with CP and settle for what we know are his limitations. I like risk and think Lake holds on to the talent the program already has. I think he'll continue to recruit at a high level. A change from outside the program is an unnecessary risk at this time imo.dnc said:
The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?@DuckHHunterisafag said:Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?
Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too. -
Lake's success here will depend on his OC hire.
I don't see this team winning 7 games next year with what we have now.
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The best time to clean house as the new guy in charge is right away. You don't want to wait and allow someone else's hires to undermine your ability to succeed. He should be firing and hiring asap. If he doesn't have a 100 day plan mapped out he is not ready for the job and will fail miserably.Neighbor2972 said:My biggest concern is that Lake might be too conservative in making changes right after getting the job. If Hamdan, Gregory and Paopao all get let go in the next month my confidence in him will be much higher. This is an extremely important opportunity to get the right staff in place, but it would be very easy for a new coach to just bring everyone back. Please let the dead weight go.
Hard to overstate how important it is to make the right OC hire now. -
Both those guys turned units that needed improvement to among the very best in the country. Lake took over a defense that was absolutely rolling and it regressed.dnc said:
Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.BleachedAnusDawg said:Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.
Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.
Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.
Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.
This is not the same thing, at all.
I don’t love it. There are some possible benefits. It opens us up to potentially getting certain recruits. The OKG stuff will loosen up a bit.
At the same time, Pete was widely respected and got recruits on his coaching merit himself, which Lake does not currently have. He also held onto his recruits and other than his offense was rock solid as a CEO and forming the program to his identity. Before this year, that was always a huge benefit. -
Lake should get a quick hook. 3 years or less if he doesn’t win 10+ and there needs to be more than hope that he can win the conference.FremontTroll said:I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
He’s not going to a new program and rebuilding it. It’s set up pretty well for him. -
Doubting Cohens competence for a hire that hasn't had a chance to prove himself either way is fucking stupid considering her body of work so far.dnc said:
The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?@DuckHHunterisafag said:Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?
Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too. -
"The dooging here is unbelievable"TommySQC said:This has been the plan for 2 plus years. Timing may be sooner but this is a no brainer. I really think Jimmy Lake will be fantastic as HC.
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Experience is overrated. Either you've got it or you don't, and it seems like it was the consensus that people think Jimmy has "it."dnc said:
Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.BleachedAnusDawg said:Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.
Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.
Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.
Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.
This is not the same thing, at all.
His leash is super fucking short, but I think we'll see pretty quickly if he's going to not rock the boat or if he's going to take his big dick out and let it swing by making the personnel moves he wants to make.
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BUMPdnc said:Is Kwat back to defensive coordinator.
Otherwise I don't understand handing it over to a guy who has two years experience as a coordinator and one of them (the most recent) was mediocre. -
Sark 2.0dnc said:Is Kwat back to defensive coordinator.
Otherwise I don't understand handing it over to a guy who has two years experience as a coordinator and one of them (the most recent) was mediocre. -
What did you think of the presserTommySQC said:This has been the plan for 2 plus years. Timing may be sooner but this is a no brainer. I really think Jimmy Lake will be fantastic as HC.
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DOOMED.gifdnc said:
"We know he can build a defense"GreenRiverGatorz said:Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back.
And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water.
We do?
"he can recruit like an animal"
I love the guy but he's never been close on any 5 star DB's, not even Kelee Ringo who he had plenty of inside edge for.
"and he's a top-notch motivator"
I'll give you this.
I like Lake. He's a great asset to the program. People who insinuated we would be better off without him were absolutely FS.
HC is a whole different thing. Sure you can squint and see him as a great HC but the most important thing an HC does is hire assistants and so far Jimmy has hired .... Will Harris. Who has done as much of an impact on the program as you or I have.
There are a ton of ways this goes very, very badly. -
If you have lost @GrundleStiltzkin and @dnc you have lost America
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The Trump suppering bully, and faggot hollow man? WDWTARaceBannon said:If you have lost @GrundleStiltzkin and @dnc you have lost America
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Lost #metoo. And I’m looking for any reason to try and remain optimistic most of the time because I can’t deal with predicting failure. I officially think this ends badly. Mediocre football is coming, great recruiting classes or not.RaceBannon said:If you have lost @GrundleStiltzkin and @dnc you have lost America
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If our offense looks good next hear we are going to be fine. If our offense looks as bad as I expect it to, the program is going to need an overhaul in another year or two. The foundation that Pete built will be worthless. This is so stupid on so many levels.RoadDawg55 said:
Lost #metoo. And I’m looking for any reason to try and remain optimistic most of the time because I can’t deal with predicting failure. I officially think this ends badly. Mediocre football is coming, great recruiting classes or not.RaceBannon said:If you have lost @GrundleStiltzkin and @dnc you have lost America
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Fuck being right.dnc said:Is Kwat back to defensive coordinator.
Otherwise I don't understand handing it over to a guy who has two years experience as a coordinator and one of them (the most recent) was mediocre. -
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Highly underrated poast.RoadDawg55 said:
Both those guys turned units that needed improvement to among the very best in the country. Lake took over a defense that was absolutely rolling and it regressed.dnc said:
Oklahoma hired an absolute hot shot coordinator who excels at developing the most important position. tOSU hired a guy who had already been their HC for three games and whose offense dropped 40 on a ranked team in the process.GreenRiverGatorz said:
Ohio State and Oklahoma are very recent test cases of how successful this "lame" approach is. If you think this program is better than it's 7-5 record and has the infrastructure currently in place to be a top ten team, and I think it does, then hiring internally is the move. Especially when you have a future head coach already in the assistant ranks, which is not the case for most programs. Add in the bonus of freeing up a lot more salary for assistant coaches ($3M for Lake is nothing), and it would be ridiculous for the AD to embark on an outside candidate search.BleachedAnusDawg said:Yeah, for being a "football school" it is pretty lame that the AD was content to settle for the coach-in-waiting approach with a guy who has never been HC anywhere. Urban Meyer would never come here, but it would've at least shown the fans that the AD is trying hard if they were able to get a meeting or some lines of communication with Team Urban.
Day had 5 years experience as a coordinator.
Riley had 7 years experience as a coordinator.
Lake has two years and no one really knows how much control he really had over the defense in those two years.
This is not the same thing, at all.
I don’t love it. There are some possible benefits. It opens us up to potentially getting certain recruits. The OKG stuff will loosen up a bit.
At the same time, Pete was widely respected and got recruits on his coaching merit himself, which Lake does not currently have. He also held onto his recruits and other than his offense was rock solid as a CEO and forming the program to his identity. Before this year, that was always a huge benefit. -
No-brainer is officially a step below a half-brainer.GreenRiverGatorz said:Disagree. Installing Lake is a no-brainer. It hopefully keeps the aspects of Petersen that made this program successful, and injects an energy that was holding it back.
And I don't care if Lake has yet to prove himself as a defensive play caller. He doesn't need to do that anymore. We know he can build a defense, he can recruit like an animal, and he's a top-notch motivator in a profession where that quality is almost half the battle these days. I don't think anyone else on the staff has the potential to be an elite head coach besides Lake, and going outside of the program for a new-hire would be throwing out the baby with the bath water. -
I don’t even blame Jimmy, he sucks, but he is what he is. I blame the AD, Jen is unredeemable loser for hiring him
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Ohdnc said:
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Yep, that thinking I can dig.dnc said:
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.FremontTroll said:I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
Hopefully it works out. -
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Didn't age wellIce_Holmvik said:
Doubting Cohens competence for a hire that hasn't had a chance to prove himself either way is fucking stupid considering her body of work so far.dnc said:
The fuck does this have to do with anything? Are you saying they forced Pete out?@DuckHHunterisafag said:Where was the program going with Peterson at the helm? He wasn't going to win many more championships with an improving Pac12. A change needed to be made and Lake is likely the best option right now. He gets his 2-3 years and if he avoids losing seasons then possibly more. Were you happy with the direction Peterson was going?
Regardless, yes, I'd rather have Pete as HC than Lake. Obviously Pete doesn't want to do it anymore so c'est la vie. I'd rather do a real coaching search than hand it to over to the best guy on the staff. Our history of settling for the most convenient hire shows it almost never works except perhaps for when they hired Jenn. Though that one is now in doubt too.
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Way under chinned if I do say so.dnc said:
I just think it's optimistic to think "Lake can keep the best parts of Pete's program." We don't know that at all. Hopefully Kwat wants to coach here for another ten years. If that's the case this has a much better chance of working out. I'm not optimistic Lake has the stones to make a big time OC hire but if he does I'll be wishing I could delete this thread rather quickly. That would say a whole lot.GrundleStiltzkin said:
Yep, that thinking I can dig.dnc said:
This is definitely the pro Lake argument.FremontTroll said:I get the idea that the best candidate likely doesn’t just happen to already be at UW.
But in the case of a mostly successful program there are strong considerations to maintaining the culture and continuity.
UW has the talent on the roster. UW doesn’t need an overhaul just a recharge. Lake can keep the best parts of CP’s program while also putting his own stamp on the program.
I think it’s worth rolling the dice on Lake instead of blowing it up.
Hopefully it works out. -
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The funny thing is I pretty much still agree with everything said in this thread. There was reason to be optimistic about Lake, there was reason to be skeptical that he was ready, and there was reason to wait and see who he hired as an OC before judging.
As soon as he hired Donovan it was clear that this would not go as we had hoped
