Chicom Coolie Ding Dong Yang wants to Ban Air Travel

ThomasFremont said:

Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.

PurpleThrobber said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.

Not quite true.

The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

RedRocket said:

PurpleThrobber said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.

Not quite true.

The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

There is a lot of promising battery tech comming down the pipe. I hope a different flavor of battery storage passes up Lithium Ion. Lithium mining is pretty shitty for the environment.

There was a good Nat Geo article the other month about how one of the largest Lithium deposits lies in the world's largest salt flat in Bolivia, the Salar de Uyuni. It's a place where drug tourist go to trip and look at stars. I'm a strong supporter of battery tech but I'm an even stronger supporter of hallucinagenic drug trips in cool places.

SFGbob said:

We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.