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  • UW_Doog_Bot
    UW_Doog_Bot Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 18,549 Founders Club
    ThomasFremont said:

    Sledog said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Scale is the issue

    When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

    Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

    They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.
    Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.
    I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.
    The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.
    Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.
    Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?
    On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.

    Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
    This doesn't work at scale for business or industry. It barely works for residential. Full stop.

    Nuclear baseload, solar for daytime usage, and natural gas for ramp up or ramp down. Offset by reforestation and curbing desertification. These are the droids you are looking for.

    There's no other possible engineering solution with available technology unless you want forced rationing.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,500 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Scale is the issue

    When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

    Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

    They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.
    Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.
    I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.
    The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.
    Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.
    There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.
    Not quite true.

    The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

    That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

    And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

    Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,500 Standard Supporter
    ThomasFremont said:

    Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.

    Define 'subsidies'.

    The tax advantages oil companies get relative to accelerating exploration costs and depreciable assets aren't much different than the tax incentives renewable companies receive.


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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,570 Standard Supporter
    Solar on a massive scale should inl
    PurpleThrobber said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Scale is the issue

    When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

    Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

    They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.
    Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.
    I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.
    The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.
    Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.
    There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.
    Not quite true.

    The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

    That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

    And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

    Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

    More cow farts and it could be next week!
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  • RedRocket
    RedRocket Member Posts: 1,527
    PurpleThrobber said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Scale is the issue

    When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

    Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

    They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.
    Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.
    I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.
    The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.
    Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.
    There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.
    Not quite true.

    The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

    That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

    And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

    Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

    There is a lot of promising battery tech comming down the pipe. I hope a different flavor of battery storage passes up Lithium Ion. Lithium mining is pretty shitty for the environment.

    There was a good Nat Geo article the other month about how one of the largest Lithium deposits lies in the world's largest salt flat in Bolivia, the Salar de Uyuni. It's a place where drug tourist go to trip and look at stars. I'm a strong supporter of battery tech but I'm an even stronger supporter of hallucinagenic drug trips in cool places.
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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,898 Standard Supporter
    The US is undergoing reforestation and no desertification. That would be in noncapatilist countries.
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  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,500 Standard Supporter
    RedRocket said:

    PurpleThrobber said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    SFGbob said:

    ThomasFremont said:

    RaceBannon said:

    Scale is the issue

    When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

    Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

    They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.
    Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.
    I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.
    The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.
    Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.
    There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.
    Not quite true.

    The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.

    That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.

    And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.

    Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?

    There is a lot of promising battery tech comming down the pipe. I hope a different flavor of battery storage passes up Lithium Ion. Lithium mining is pretty shitty for the environment.

    There was a good Nat Geo article the other month about how one of the largest Lithium deposits lies in the world's largest salt flat in Bolivia, the Salar de Uyuni. It's a place where drug tourist go to trip and look at stars. I'm a strong supporter of battery tech but I'm an even stronger supporter of hallucinagenic drug trips in cool places.
    Not really. Reclamation projects in extraction industries are highly bonded This ain't the 70's when mining companies just walked away and left Superfund cleanup sites. Lots of times mines are replaced with golf courses or they fill up the pits with water and build homes/2nd homes around the new 'lake'. Whole different beast than the greenies want to portray.

    You're sorta getting into my wheelhouse here. Sort of. Extraction, money, joobs. Not necessarily in that order.

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  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,898 Standard Supporter
    Most mining occurs outside the US. Think the chicoms are worried about reclamation?
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  • Gwad
    Gwad Member Posts: 2,855
    SFGbob said:

    We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.

    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.

    LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFC
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  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    Gwad said:

    SFGbob said:

    We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.

    https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.

    LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFC
    And MIT but Kunt's got to Kunt. You really believe I can't find that exact same information from other sources? The numbers are what they are, they didn't make them up.

    https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/
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