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SFGbob

2001400ex said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

So you are saying that people who live on solar off the grid don't have electricity at night? Bob the genius speaks.

So you're saying you're a fucking moron who is now balls deep in the strawman's ass? Are you fantasizing that the strawman is El Monte Hondo?

ThomasFremont

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

SFGbob

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.

Sledog

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?

ThomasFremont

Sledog said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

SFGbob said:

ThomasFremont said:

RaceBannon said:

Scale is the issue

When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention

Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s

They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.

Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.

I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.

The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.

Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.

Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?

On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.

Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.

RaceBannon

I'm a big fan of living off the grid on the DYI network

Very tempting. There is some great plots of land for sale around the Southland. ILTCIT

Would also use solar panels to heat my pool when I get one. And the house if feasible. When I get one again

WestlinnDuck

If electric cars were cheaper and outperformed gasoline cars and trucks, then we wouldn't need massive government subsidies for EVs. But they don't - so you argue for continued government subsidies while claiming "could be". Fine, when "it can" then we won't need the subsidies. Batteries will have limited performance until something else gets invented besides lithium batteries. So, until then - subsidize some theoretical lab batteries for a fraction of what we are paying now. Upper and upper middle class citizens shouldn't be given a free ride for some minor virtue signaling.

WestlinnDuck

Then feel free to put a non-subsidized solar panel on your house and spend thousands and thousands of your money for non-subsidized batteries. I'm not stopping you. I just don't want to pay for your subsidies.

ThomasFremont

Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.

SFGbob

We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.

https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.