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The $2.5 trillion reason we can’t rely on batteries to clean up the grid
Fluctuating solar and wind power require lots of energy storage, and lithium-ion batteries seem like the obvious choice—but they are far too expensive to play a major role.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains. -
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology. -
What subsidies do you want to get rid of? Tax breaks that every company gets?ThomasFremont said:Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.
Oil is only vital to our way of life and economy. No big deal really. -
What oil subsidies? Don't hurt yourself. I know you leftards strongly feel there are massive oil subsidies. Love to hear about them.
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You and I could script their responses.WestlinnDuck said:What oil subsidies? Don't hurt yourself. I know you leftards strongly feel there are massive oil subsidies. Love to hear about them.
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Debunking Myths About Federal Oil & Gas Subsidies
https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillinginfo/2016/02/22/debunking-myths-about-federal-oil-gas-subsidies/#8ec76976e1cd -
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
What if you live in Wyoming, and it's the middle of winter and the temperature doesn't get above 15 degrees for a week. Is solar power going to generate enough energy to keep that house warm? Same question applies to living on the coast in the NW. There were times during the winter growing up on the Oregon coast were you didn't see the sun for weeks and it rained every day. What do those people do?Sledog said:
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
Vote for free renewable solar then freeze in the dark.
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This doesn't work at scale for business or industry. It barely works for residential. Full stop.ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
Nuclear baseload, solar for daytime usage, and natural gas for ramp up or ramp down. Offset by reforestation and curbing desertification. These are the droids you are looking for.
There's no other possible engineering solution with available technology unless you want forced rationing. -
Not quite true.SFGbob said:
There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.
That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.
And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.
Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?
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Define 'subsidies'.ThomasFremont said:Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.
The tax advantages oil companies get relative to accelerating exploration costs and depreciable assets aren't much different than the tax incentives renewable companies receive.
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Solar on a massive scale should inl
More cow farts and it could be next week!PurpleThrobber said:
Not quite true.SFGbob said:
There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.
That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.
And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.
Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now? -
There is a lot of promising battery tech comming down the pipe. I hope a different flavor of battery storage passes up Lithium Ion. Lithium mining is pretty shitty for the environment.PurpleThrobber said:
Not quite true.SFGbob said:
There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.
That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.
And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.
Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?
There was a good Nat Geo article the other month about how one of the largest Lithium deposits lies in the world's largest salt flat in Bolivia, the Salar de Uyuni. It's a place where drug tourist go to trip and look at stars. I'm a strong supporter of battery tech but I'm an even stronger supporter of hallucinagenic drug trips in cool places. -
The US is undergoing reforestation and no desertification. That would be in noncapatilist countries.
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Not really. Reclamation projects in extraction industries are highly bonded This ain't the 70's when mining companies just walked away and left Superfund cleanup sites. Lots of times mines are replaced with golf courses or they fill up the pits with water and build homes/2nd homes around the new 'lake'. Whole different beast than the greenies want to portray.RedRocket said:
There is a lot of promising battery tech comming down the pipe. I hope a different flavor of battery storage passes up Lithium Ion. Lithium mining is pretty shitty for the environment.PurpleThrobber said:
Not quite true.SFGbob said:
There is no technology for electrical storage on a massive scale, your response doesn't even address that fact and is essentially meaningless gibberish.ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
The next gen of lithium storage will be markedly better than current systems. I've seen some pretty cool stuff for commercial and residential systems.
That doesn't address a car's capacity -because then it becomes a weight vs. size vs. power issue. You could put a big ass battery in a Tesla but you'd lose the back seat. The nerds will eventually figure that shit out. But that's apples and oranges vs. wide scale storage of renewable energy.
And, trust me, I'm a dig shit out of the ground guy. Drill, baby, drill. Natural gas is the interim solution while the other technology catches up over the next five years or so.
Or whenever the world is scheduled to end. 10 year 8 months now?
There was a good Nat Geo article the other month about how one of the largest Lithium deposits lies in the world's largest salt flat in Bolivia, the Salar de Uyuni. It's a place where drug tourist go to trip and look at stars. I'm a strong supporter of battery tech but I'm an even stronger supporter of hallucinagenic drug trips in cool places.
You're sorta getting into my wheelhouse here. Sort of. Extraction, money, joobs. Not necessarily in that order.
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Most mining occurs outside the US. Think the chicoms are worried about reclamation?
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LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFCSFGbob said:We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible. -
And MIT but Kunt's got to Kunt. You really believe I can't find that exact same information from other sources? The numbers are what they are, they didn't make them up.Gwad said:
LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFCSFGbob said:We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
Here's some joobs just to maintain perspective without a walk on the beach.
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You seem mad you should dial it down.SFGbob said:
And MIT but Kunt's got to Kunt. You really believe I can't find that exact same information from other sources? The numbers are what they are, they didn't make them up.Gwad said:
LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFCSFGbob said:We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
Its why China is in AfricaWestlinnDuck said:Most mining occurs outside the US. Think the chicoms are worried about reclamation?
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This is my troll forum.Gwad said:
You seem mad you should dial it down.SFGbob said:
And MIT but Kunt's got to Kunt. You really believe I can't find that exact same information from other sources? The numbers are what they are, they didn't make them up.Gwad said:
LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFCSFGbob said:We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
PlagiarismSFGbob said:
This is my troll forum.Gwad said:
You seem mad you should dial it down.SFGbob said:
And MIT but Kunt's got to Kunt. You really believe I can't find that exact same information from other sources? The numbers are what they are, they didn't make them up.Gwad said:
LOL SFGbob's source is the Manhattan Institute JFCSFGbob said:We aren't getting rid of fossil fuel power generation anytime soon and it's definitely not happening in any of our lifetimes.
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/green-energy-revolution-near-impossible.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
Tommie, the gearhead superiority guy now?
#1. EVs and hybrids are not close. Tesla is no match for a Turbo 911. In driving quality, and feedback. Any 1/4 mile, 1/2 mile, track record. Won't even start on safety...
#2. Also, Tesla got caught with their pants down when their P100D test vehicle tested higher than another P100D in the world. They built a special ringer for C and D to test. Typical for new performance car entries for the free pub you read about. Let's let Porsche send a modified 911 Turbo S as well?? 🤔🤔
#3. Geothermal, wind and solar are terriblbly inefficient and not worthy of comparisons.
#4. Combustion engine efficiency improvements have far outpaced the EV and hybrid market. Turbo improvements, 10 speed transmissions, direct injection, cylinder deactivation, on and on. You can go 1100 miles in some modern pickups. No charging.
Example: An F150 today can tow 15,000 lbs and cruise at 22+ mpg running shit fuel. That same F150 in 1992 could tow 4,000 lbs and would be lucky to touch 14mpg.
Combustion powered cars aren't going away. They are just getting better and better.
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Step 1: Sleep at night.SFGbob said:
What if you live in Wyoming, and it's the middle of winter and the temperature doesn't get above 15 degrees for a week. Is solar power going to generate enough energy to keep that house warm? Same question applies to living on the coast in the NW. There were times during the winter growing up on the Oregon coast were you didn't see the sun for weeks and it rained every day. What do those people do?Sledog said:
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
But have lots of blankets as there will be no power and no fuel!HustlinOwl said:
Step 1: Sleep at night.SFGbob said:
What if you live in Wyoming, and it's the middle of winter and the temperature doesn't get above 15 degrees for a week. Is solar power going to generate enough energy to keep that house warm? Same question applies to living on the coast in the NW. There were times during the winter growing up on the Oregon coast were you didn't see the sun for weeks and it rained every day. What do those people do?Sledog said:
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
Andrew Yang is thrilled his FS air travel ban policy and his support of the Green New Steal got lost in the maelstrom of solar, wind, and porsches vs teslas discussions.
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Yeah I’m cool with that. But I’m arguing with someone saying electric cars are bad because they can’t drive forever and solar is bad because it can’t charge 24 hours a day. Baby steps.UW_Doog_Bot said:
This doesn't work at scale for business or industry. It barely works for residential. Full stop.ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
Nuclear baseload, solar for daytime usage, and natural gas for ramp up or ramp down. Offset by reforestation and curbing desertification. These are the droids you are looking for.
There's no other possible engineering solution with available technology unless you want forced rationing.
