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The $2.5 trillion reason we can’t rely on batteries to clean up the grid
Fluctuating solar and wind power require lots of energy storage, and lithium-ion batteries seem like the obvious choice—but they are far too expensive to play a major role.
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611683/the-25-trillion-reason-we-cant-rely-on-batteries-to-clean-up-the-grid/ -
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains. -
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology. -
What subsidies do you want to get rid of? Tax breaks that every company gets?ThomasFremont said:Cancel all oil subsidies and we can talk about where the money should go.
Oil is only vital to our way of life and economy. No big deal really. -
What oil subsidies? Don't hurt yourself. I know you leftards strongly feel there are massive oil subsidies. Love to hear about them.
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You and I could script their responses.WestlinnDuck said:What oil subsidies? Don't hurt yourself. I know you leftards strongly feel there are massive oil subsidies. Love to hear about them.
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Debunking Myths About Federal Oil & Gas Subsidies
https://www.forbes.com/sites/drillinginfo/2016/02/22/debunking-myths-about-federal-oil-gas-subsidies/#8ec76976e1cd -
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
What if you live in Wyoming, and it's the middle of winter and the temperature doesn't get above 15 degrees for a week. Is solar power going to generate enough energy to keep that house warm? Same question applies to living on the coast in the NW. There were times during the winter growing up on the Oregon coast were you didn't see the sun for weeks and it rained every day. What do those people do?Sledog said:
Really a house solar system high sorry charged at night? You are special!2001400ex said:
Have you heard of a high speed charger? I know a few people that have driven thru Montana and such.Sledog said:
So what's the charge time for your Tesla? 14 years?ThomasFremont said:
On the roof of a house. With a battery to store the excess and run at night.Sledog said:
Where are all those decentralized electrical generation plants?ThomasFremont said:
Decentralized models are already effective at curbing waste and costs.SFGbob said:
The technology for electrical storage on a massive scale doesn't exist.ThomasFremont said:
I am aware that things are not currently set up for this. I’m saying we should set things up like this.SFGbob said:
Even if you increase solar and wind, you still have to build the infrastructure for fossil fuel electrical generation. There's no way to store energy generated by wind and solar for the periods when the wind isn't blowing and the sun isn't shining.ThomasFremont said:
They’ve dragged their feet for decades. But you’re right. Traditional utilities have diversified into wind and solar at an increasing rate. The government could incentivize then to escalate that progress and we’d probably be better off. Better for the environment. Better for National security.RaceBannon said:Scale is the issue
When alternative energy scales for mass consumption someone will be there to cash in. It's not like nobody is working on it just because we dont have massive government intervention
Carbon purveyors have been cleaning some things up since the 60s
Combine that with a transition away from coal towards nuclear power and you’d be making some serious gains.
It's ignorant people like you that are afraid of change that stifle advancement and technology.
Driving up the 5 in Kali I see a while bunch of Tesla's. Parked at Harris ranch trying to charge because they're stranded. -
Vote for free renewable solar then freeze in the dark.
