51% of mass shooters in 2019 were black, 29% were white, and 11% were Latino.

SFGbob said:

dnc said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Are you afraid of all white neighborhoods?

Are you afraid of all black neighborhoods?

Case closed. End of discussion

As somebody who has spent plenty of tim in both the projects and the trailer park I'll take my chances with crackheads over meth heads anyday.

Poor white people are scary as fuck.

True, but statistically they commit far less crime, particularly violent crime.

SFGbob said:

dnc said:

SFGbob said:

dnc said:

Pitchfork51 said:

Are you afraid of all white neighborhoods?

Are you afraid of all black neighborhoods?

Case closed. End of discussion

As somebody who has spent plenty of tim in both the projects and the trailer park I'll take my chances with crackheads over meth heads anyday.

Poor white people are scary as fuck.

True, but statistically they commit far less crime, particularly violent crime.

I'd love to see those stats on crime by poor whites.

Crime stats, especially violent crime stats are fairly easy to find. FBI compiles them every year.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/topic-pages/tables/table-21

dnc said:

I make this post once a year so I guess it's time for the annual DNC guns dissertation.

Are there other factors here? Sure.

Do mental illness, video games, single parent homes and the breakdown of families play a role? Absolutely.

But other wealthy, developed countries have all that same shit but don't have near the rate of mass shootings that we do. Pretending the reason we experience this stuff at significantly higher rates than the rest of the first world is something other than access to guns is denial at best, pure dishonesty at worst.

That doesn't mean we should start banning guns. The right has one argument here that holds up and it's a damn good one - the Constitution guarantees us the right to defend ourselves as a protection from tyranny.

There's a real argument that all this shit we see on the news every other week (if we're lucky) about another mass shooting is worth it because on day we? can protect ourselves from hypothetical tyrants.

But the right needs to own it and the debate needs to center there. Is all this shit worth it for Americans to remain armed and free?

I lean yes.

But pointing to anything else other than that is simply wasting people's time and distracting from the reality here.

And sledog, please spare me the "but you can people with knives and cars and bombs too!" responses. I'm in no way pretending that guns are the only weapon out there. But there's a reason they're by far the most frequently used weapons for this kind of shit.

GrundleStiltzkin said:

dnc said:

I make this post once a year so I guess it's time for the annual DNC guns dissertation.

Are there other factors here? Sure.

Do mental illness, video games, single parent homes and the breakdown of families play a role? Absolutely.

But other wealthy, developed countries have all that same shit but don't have near the rate of mass shootings that we do. Pretending the reason we experience this stuff at significantly higher rates than the rest of the first world is something other than access to guns is denial at best, pure dishonesty at worst.

That doesn't mean we should start banning guns. The right has one argument here that holds up and it's a damn good one - the Constitution guarantees us the right to defend ourselves as a protection from tyranny.

There's a real argument that all this shit we see on the news every other week (if we're lucky) about another mass shooting is worth it because on day we? can protect ourselves from hypothetical tyrants.

But the right needs to own it and the debate needs to center there. Is all this shit worth it for Americans to remain armed and free?

I lean yes.

But pointing to anything else other than that is simply wasting people's time and distracting from the reality here.

And sledog, please spare me the "but you can people with knives and cars and bombs too!" responses. I'm in no way pretending that guns are the only weapon out there. But there's a reason they're by far the most frequently used weapons for this kind of shit.

The great philosopher Adam Carolla had a good rant on this yesterday. The gist of it is, mass shootings are a tragic phenomenon of our time that are self reinforcing.