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51% of mass shooters in 2019 were black, 29% were white, and 11% were Latino.
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I don't usually use it but this is a classic strawman and you know it.HHusky said:
I'd be talking to people like you, who know something about guns, about legitimate reasons why anyone would ever want own particular types of weapons. It's not immediately obvious to me why someone should have an AK-47, for example. I realize Sled wants to over throw the Deep State, but I want to talk about reality.Swaye said:
Which classes of guns would you ban, and why?HHusky said:SFGbob said:
I think guns should be difficult to obtain and retain. Some guns should simply be illegal per se. I think penalties for misuse or illegal possession be stiff. But I’m not for banning them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Conflate and dissemble all you'd like, does anyone think you actually care about anyone beyond your immediate ideological motives?HHusky said:
If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.HHusky said:
Yeah, when some fucker kills his whole family or a drug deal goes South, that’s exactly like a Build the Wall white dude slaughtering Hispanic shoppers in a Wal-Mart because of Replacement Theory.SFGbob said:
That's some super Kunt logic you have working there O'Keefed. We are told that most all of these mass shootings are carried out by whites. Why does it make your snatch so sore to have facts that refute that claim?HHusky said:Yes. They’re accurate. It’s also accurate to say that you, me and Tom Brady have 6 Super Bowl wins between us.
Does it challenge your narrative O'Keefed?
I'd respect you more if you were less disingenuous. At least APAG and Cdawg just come out and say what they really think.
Other than repeating above exactly what I said days ago, I never say what I really want.
2A is a check on the power of the government and military. It's a deterrent against the government's use of force not a means to overthrow a regime forcibly. You know this but you can't help yourself from attempting to hide your argument since it's a bit much to come out and say, "I want the state to have an unchecked monopoly on the use of force." -
I haven't lied about your statistics, I pointed out exactly what your statistics don't state.SFGbob said:
I answered that question already. I even gave you statistics in support of my answers that you then lied about.dnc said:
Then why are they more dangerous?SFGbob said:
I just fucking gave you the numbers that you obviously didn't look at. What do you have that shows whites are more dangerous other than your opinion? And I never said blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color asswhole.dnc said:
Okay then Mr "I demand everyone agree blacks are more dangerous". What is your reasoning why they are more dangerous (IYO) then?SFGbob said:
Why did you fucking lie? I never claimed blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color. Fuck you. Your claims about poor whites and poor blacks are based entirely on your unsupported opinions.dnc said:
This does nothing to split out for levels of property, increases of murder rates as people live in close proximity, etc.SFGbob said:The number of whites arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,192
The number of blacks arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,935
Since we know there are more poor whites in this country than there are poor blacks if whites were committing murder at an equal to or greater rate than blacks those numbers would be different.
I'm saying poor white people living piled on top of each other in a trailer park are just as dangerous as poor black people living piled on top of each other in the projects.
You're saying nope, one is more dangerous because skin color.
Good job, good effort.
You're just engaged in the standard virtue signalling where you think it makes you sound more enlightened to make statements that aren't supported by the facts. I never said anything about the projects and there are plenty of poor rural living black people.
You've already ducked the question once.
Can we agree that people who commit violent crime are more dangerous on average than people who don't commit violent crimes?
Still waiting on your answer. For somebody who doesn't believe blacks are more dangerous because they're black you sure seem to like stating that blacks are more dangerous. I'd think you would want to explain your reasoning. -
A background check. Did you need one to vote?HHusky said:
Last I heard, the shooter got his legally. What did he have to go through to get it?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Ak-47s are fully automatic. The relatively small number that exist legally in the country are heavily regulated.HHusky said:
I'd be talking to people like you, who know something about guns, about legitimate reasons why anyone would ever want own particular types of weapons. It's not immediately obvious to me why someone should have an AK-47, for example. I realize Sled wants to over throw the Deep State, but I want to talk about reality.Swaye said:
Which classes of guns would you ban, and why?HHusky said:SFGbob said:
I think guns should be difficult to obtain and retain. Some guns should simply be illegal per se. I think penalties for misuse or illegal possession be stiff. But I’m not for banning them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Conflate and dissemble all you'd like, does anyone think you actually care about anyone beyond your immediate ideological motives?HHusky said:
If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.HHusky said:
Yeah, when some fucker kills his whole family or a drug deal goes South, that’s exactly like a Build the Wall white dude slaughtering Hispanic shoppers in a Wal-Mart because of Replacement Theory.SFGbob said:
That's some super Kunt logic you have working there O'Keefed. We are told that most all of these mass shootings are carried out by whites. Why does it make your snatch so sore to have facts that refute that claim?HHusky said:Yes. They’re accurate. It’s also accurate to say that you, me and Tom Brady have 6 Super Bowl wins between us.
Does it challenge your narrative O'Keefed?
I'd respect you more if you were less disingenuous. At least APAG and Cdawg just come out and say what they really think.
Other than repeating above exactly what I said days ago, I never say what I really want. -
Digging through several ambiguous articles, it appears he had a semi-auto AK variant made in Romania. Most reporters have very little knowledge of firearms or firearms law. You'll probably take that as a political statement, but it's not.HHusky said:
What kind of gun did the El Paso shooter have?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Who had an AK-47?HHusky said:
Last I heard, the shooter got his legally. What did he have to go through to get it?GrundleStiltzkin said:
Ak-47s are fully automatic. The relatively small number that exist legally in the country are heavily regulated.HHusky said:
I'd be talking to people like you, who know something about guns, about legitimate reasons why anyone would ever want own particular types of weapons. It's not immediately obvious to me why someone should have an AK-47, for example. I realize Sled wants to over throw the Deep State, but I want to talk about reality.Swaye said:
Which classes of guns would you ban, and why?HHusky said:SFGbob said:
I think guns should be difficult to obtain and retain. Some guns should simply be illegal per se. I think penalties for misuse or illegal possession be stiff. But I’m not for banning them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Conflate and dissemble all you'd like, does anyone think you actually care about anyone beyond your immediate ideological motives?HHusky said:
If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.HHusky said:
Yeah, when some fucker kills his whole family or a drug deal goes South, that’s exactly like a Build the Wall white dude slaughtering Hispanic shoppers in a Wal-Mart because of Replacement Theory.SFGbob said:
That's some super Kunt logic you have working there O'Keefed. We are told that most all of these mass shootings are carried out by whites. Why does it make your snatch so sore to have facts that refute that claim?HHusky said:Yes. They’re accurate. It’s also accurate to say that you, me and Tom Brady have 6 Super Bowl wins between us.
Does it challenge your narrative O'Keefed?
I'd respect you more if you were less disingenuous. At least APAG and Cdawg just come out and say what they really think.
Other than repeating above exactly what I said days ago, I never say what I really want. -
The state does have an unchecked monopoly on the big stuff. I don't want to ban all guns. I've said that before.UW_Doog_Bot said:
I don't usually use it but this is a classic strawman and you know it.HHusky said:
I'd be talking to people like you, who know something about guns, about legitimate reasons why anyone would ever want own particular types of weapons. It's not immediately obvious to me why someone should have an AK-47, for example. I realize Sled wants to over throw the Deep State, but I want to talk about reality.Swaye said:
Which classes of guns would you ban, and why?HHusky said:SFGbob said:
I think guns should be difficult to obtain and retain. Some guns should simply be illegal per se. I think penalties for misuse or illegal possession be stiff. But I’m not for banning them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Conflate and dissemble all you'd like, does anyone think you actually care about anyone beyond your immediate ideological motives?HHusky said:
If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.HHusky said:
Yeah, when some fucker kills his whole family or a drug deal goes South, that’s exactly like a Build the Wall white dude slaughtering Hispanic shoppers in a Wal-Mart because of Replacement Theory.SFGbob said:
That's some super Kunt logic you have working there O'Keefed. We are told that most all of these mass shootings are carried out by whites. Why does it make your snatch so sore to have facts that refute that claim?HHusky said:Yes. They’re accurate. It’s also accurate to say that you, me and Tom Brady have 6 Super Bowl wins between us.
Does it challenge your narrative O'Keefed?
I'd respect you more if you were less disingenuous. At least APAG and Cdawg just come out and say what they really think.
Other than repeating above exactly what I said days ago, I never say what I really want.
2A is a check on the power of the government and military. It's a deterrent against the government's use of force not a means to overthrow a regime forcibly. You know this but you can't help yourself from attempting to hide your argument since it's a bit much to come out and say, "I want the state to have an unchecked monopoly on the use of force." -
As I already stated I believe that blacks are more dangerous because on average they commit more violent crime. I even gave you statistics to back up that claim and yes you did lie about about what the statistics said.dnc said:
I haven't lied about your statistics, I pointed out exactly what your statistics don't state.SFGbob said:
I answered that question already. I even gave you statistics in support of my answers that you then lied about.dnc said:
Then why are they more dangerous?SFGbob said:
I just fucking gave you the numbers that you obviously didn't look at. What do you have that shows whites are more dangerous other than your opinion? And I never said blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color asswhole.dnc said:
Okay then Mr "I demand everyone agree blacks are more dangerous". What is your reasoning why they are more dangerous (IYO) then?SFGbob said:
Why did you fucking lie? I never claimed blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color. Fuck you. Your claims about poor whites and poor blacks are based entirely on your unsupported opinions.dnc said:
This does nothing to split out for levels of property, increases of murder rates as people live in close proximity, etc.SFGbob said:The number of whites arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,192
The number of blacks arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,935
Since we know there are more poor whites in this country than there are poor blacks if whites were committing murder at an equal to or greater rate than blacks those numbers would be different.
I'm saying poor white people living piled on top of each other in a trailer park are just as dangerous as poor black people living piled on top of each other in the projects.
You're saying nope, one is more dangerous because skin color.
Good job, good effort.
You're just engaged in the standard virtue signalling where you think it makes you sound more enlightened to make statements that aren't supported by the facts. I never said anything about the projects and there are plenty of poor rural living black people.
You've already ducked the question once.
Can we agree that people who commit violent crime are more dangerous on average than people who don't commit violent crimes?
Still waiting on your answer. For somebody who doesn't believe blacks are more dangerous because they're black you sure seem to like stating that blacks are more dangerous. I'd think you would want to explain your reasoning.
You're conflating raw totals with rates.
So far, you've cited nothing in support of your opinion and you've lied repeatedly about my position while dodging each question I've put to you. Would you agree that people who commit violent crime are more dangerous than people who don't commit violent crime? Yes or no? -
You clearly don't live in an area heavily populated with poor black Americans. After dark in South Atlanta is not a place anyone, black or white, wants to be on foot. I grew up in a poor, white trailer park, there is zero comparison. We had plenty of drama in the neighborhood but I didn't worry about getting shot. I have traveled to the worst hell holes in my career, seen Detroit at its worst, St. Louis, Flynt, covered South America for 7 years and witnessed abject poverty the likes of which we don't see here. I felt safer in SA than staying in downtown Detroit or South Atlanta at night. We have a serious problem here in America and it needs to be discussed and fixed. There are too many individuals who are just wasted human life and they are our fellow Americans. It shouldn't be that way regardless of skin color. The destruction of the black family has everything to do with it but democrats won't discuss it because they are deathly afraid of losing the black vote.dnc said:
This does nothing to split out for levels of property, increases of murder rates as people live in close proximity, etc.SFGbob said:The number of whites arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,192
The number of blacks arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,935
Since we know there are more poor whites in this country than there are poor blacks if whites were committing murder at an equal to or greater rate than blacks those numbers would be different.
I'm saying poor white people living piled on top of each other in a trailer park are just as dangerous as poor black people living piled on top of each other in the projects.
You're saying nope, one is more dangerous because skin color.
Good job, good effort.
When you really look at the crime numbers, about 44% of violent crime comes from Americans who are black men. Black men = 6% of the population. We have to fix this. All this bullshit about white terrorism is just a ruse so that democrat strategists and politicians can paint their political enemies as racist. Meanwhile 1000's more die and hundreds of thousands are the victims of violent crime. Discussing poor white trailer parks isn't going to move the needle.
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I've been in plenty of rough black neighborhoods. I practiced baseball at night in High Point when High Point was still High Point (fuck gentrification).Bendintheriver said:
You clearly don't live in an area heavily populated with poor black Americans. After dark in South Atlanta is not a place anyone, black or white, wants to be on foot. I grew up in a poor, white trailer park, there is zero comparison. We had plenty of drama in the neighborhood but I didn't worry about getting shot. I have traveled to the worst hell holes in my career, seen Detroit at its worst, St. Louis, Flynt, covered South America for 7 years and witnessed abject poverty the likes of which we don't see here. I felt safer in SA than staying in downtown Detroit or South Atlanta at night. We have a serious problem here in America and it needs to be discussed and fixed. There are too many individuals who are just wasted human life and they are our fellow Americans. It shouldn't be that way regardless of skin color. The destruction of the black family has everything to do with it but democrats won't discuss it because they are deathly afraid of losing the black vote.dnc said:
This does nothing to split out for levels of property, increases of murder rates as people live in close proximity, etc.SFGbob said:The number of whites arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,192
The number of blacks arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,935
Since we know there are more poor whites in this country than there are poor blacks if whites were committing murder at an equal to or greater rate than blacks those numbers would be different.
I'm saying poor white people living piled on top of each other in a trailer park are just as dangerous as poor black people living piled on top of each other in the projects.
You're saying nope, one is more dangerous because skin color.
Good job, good effort.
When you really look at the crime numbers, about 44% of violent crime comes from Americans who are black men. Black men = 6% of the population. We have to fix this. All this bullshit about white terrorism is just a ruse so that democrat strategists and politicians can paint their political enemies as racist. Meanwhile 1000's more die and hundreds of thousands are the victims of violent crime. Discussing poor white trailer parks isn't going to move the needle.
Fuck man I live in fucking Memphrica.
Try again. -
I can respect that you would at least ask people who have used them and trained with them for advice. That's a good first step and way better than most would admit to.HHusky said:
I'd be talking to people like you, who know something about guns, about legitimate reasons why anyone would ever want own particular types of weapons. It's not immediately obvious to me why someone should have an AK-47, for example. I realize Sled wants to over throw the Deep State, but I want to talk about reality.Swaye said:
Which classes of guns would you ban, and why?HHusky said:SFGbob said:
I think guns should be difficult to obtain and retain. Some guns should simply be illegal per se. I think penalties for misuse or illegal possession be stiff. But I’m not for banning them.UW_Doog_Bot said:
Conflate and dissemble all you'd like, does anyone think you actually care about anyone beyond your immediate ideological motives?HHusky said:
If you’re saying more than common sense gun laws are required to combat terrorism, I agree. Domestic terrorism seems to be a very white phenomenon recently.UW_Doog_Bot said:
It's funny that these are both the same when discussing "common sense" gun laws but different now.HHusky said:
Yeah, when some fucker kills his whole family or a drug deal goes South, that’s exactly like a Build the Wall white dude slaughtering Hispanic shoppers in a Wal-Mart because of Replacement Theory.SFGbob said:
That's some super Kunt logic you have working there O'Keefed. We are told that most all of these mass shootings are carried out by whites. Why does it make your snatch so sore to have facts that refute that claim?HHusky said:Yes. They’re accurate. It’s also accurate to say that you, me and Tom Brady have 6 Super Bowl wins between us.
Does it challenge your narrative O'Keefed?
I'd respect you more if you were less disingenuous. At least APAG and Cdawg just come out and say what they really think.
Other than repeating above exactly what I said days ago, I never say what I really want.
As far as the AK-47 comment, it won't be popular with the anti-gun crowd, but the honest truth is, that old "far right" saying about protection from the government is the truth. As far fetched as it might seem in modern America, the genesis of us having a right to bear arms had fuckall to do with hunting ducks or stopping a robber. It is about being able to protect our rights from the State. The Federalist Papers make that abundantly clear that the framers saw it is the central pillar to all the other rights in the Bill of Rights. An armed populace would be able to better deter a tyrannical government than an unarmed, or in the case underarmed populace.
We can debate the relative merits of this position all day long. The anti gun crowd will say "there is no way you can stop a tank so get over it," while the gun advocate crowd will say Ho Chi Minh and his band of ragtag militiamen did a damn good job of it fighting with essentially nothing but AK-47's against our tanks, planes and high tech weaponry. In fact, they won.
The founders knew one thing - it is impossible to have a government "for the people, by the people" if those people can't instill a little fear in those who govern them. Lexington and Concorde was fought because the British were going for the armory at Concord. So this country was pretty much founded upon a hostile power (which just happened to be our own government at the time - weird to think of it that way huh...the redshirts were basically the ATF of their day in this scenario) going for guns. What does that tell you? The first thing the government wanted to do when shit went bad was to take the peoples guns. And our first response was if they get a major armory in the NE at the start of this, there will be no "this." Without a means to resist effectively the war was over before it started - the war against the current government.
So, I am not a right wing nutjob that hopes or thinks the populace will go to war with the federal government - at the same time, in some future world that I cannot even fathom right now, it could be required. And I'd like my great great great grandkids to be able to exercise their inalienable right to existence free from tyranny by fighting for that freedom with something a little more favorable than a .22 caliber pistol. So while I do not believe in my lifetime we will need to rise up and exert any force on this government, I do believe in protecting the rights of future generations to do just that in some future totalitarian world I cannot even fathom right now. We don't own these rights. We are caretakers of them for future generations because we can't know what that future will look like. And it bothers me when people are so happy to give them away for some personal safety in the present. That is why I think we should be able to keep semi-automatic rifles with large capacity magazines. Asked and answered. -
That wasn't a lie, you were conflating raw numbers (more poor white people) with crime rates. That's exactly what you did.SFGbob said:
As I already stated I believe that blacks are more dangerous because on average they commit more violent crime. I even gave you statistics to back up that claim and yes you did lie about about what the statistics said.dnc said:
I haven't lied about your statistics, I pointed out exactly what your statistics don't state.SFGbob said:
I answered that question already. I even gave you statistics in support of my answers that you then lied about.dnc said:
Then why are they more dangerous?SFGbob said:
I just fucking gave you the numbers that you obviously didn't look at. What do you have that shows whites are more dangerous other than your opinion? And I never said blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color asswhole.dnc said:
Okay then Mr "I demand everyone agree blacks are more dangerous". What is your reasoning why they are more dangerous (IYO) then?SFGbob said:
Why did you fucking lie? I never claimed blacks are more dangerous because of their skin color. Fuck you. Your claims about poor whites and poor blacks are based entirely on your unsupported opinions.dnc said:
This does nothing to split out for levels of property, increases of murder rates as people live in close proximity, etc.SFGbob said:The number of whites arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,192
The number of blacks arrested for Murder in 2016 was 4,935
Since we know there are more poor whites in this country than there are poor blacks if whites were committing murder at an equal to or greater rate than blacks those numbers would be different.
I'm saying poor white people living piled on top of each other in a trailer park are just as dangerous as poor black people living piled on top of each other in the projects.
You're saying nope, one is more dangerous because skin color.
Good job, good effort.
You're just engaged in the standard virtue signalling where you think it makes you sound more enlightened to make statements that aren't supported by the facts. I never said anything about the projects and there are plenty of poor rural living black people.
You've already ducked the question once.
Can we agree that people who commit violent crime are more dangerous on average than people who don't commit violent crimes?
Still waiting on your answer. For somebody who doesn't believe blacks are more dangerous because they're black you sure seem to like stating that blacks are more dangerous. I'd think you would want to explain your reasoning.
You're conflating raw totals with rates.
So far, you've cited nothing in support of your opinion and you've lied repeatedly about my position while dodging each question I've put to you. Would you agree that people who commit violent crime are more dangerous than people who don't commit violent crime? Yes or no?
I've answered plenty of your questions. You haven't answered one. You never do.
