Trade wars are good and easy to win!

Sledog said:

dflea said:

TurdBomber said:

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

Well, I also have an Econ degree from UW, and I'm pretty certain that tariffs and trade restrictions are generally frowned upon because they lead to higher consumer prices, a net loss of jobs, and can escalate into really ugly shit that gets very costly - for consumers, not governments.

I know what cocks the Chinese are. They're straight up belligerent thieves, but do we really want to torpedo farmers and turn them into welfare cases to fight intellectual property theft? Stick it to aircraft manufacturers and other users of metals so that software companies can be protected?

Sounds like a whole lot of government interventionist bullshit and higher taxes disguised under the term "tariffs" to me. I'm selfish and I give a fuck about my prices more than this battle. Can we win this? Of course. But there's lots of battles you can win if you're behind raising taxes. Trade-warring with China just isn't my preferred battle.

Not a fan.

You can’t gain ground against a sneaky opponent without sacrifice. Your Econ books would never teach you that. You’d need to read some history to figure that out.

Shut up, ass face, unless you're going to dig into your history book and point out the trade war that didn't lead to higher consumer prices and lower employment. Was there a specific case you wanted to bring up or are you just being your typical smarmy cunt self?

Again why aren't counties charging us tariffs when we're not charging them tariffs collapsing?

Sledog said:

dflea said:

Sledog said:

dflea said:

TurdBomber said:

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

Well, I also have an Econ degree from UW, and I'm pretty certain that tariffs and trade restrictions are generally frowned upon because they lead to higher consumer prices, a net loss of jobs, and can escalate into really ugly shit that gets very costly - for consumers, not governments.

I know what cocks the Chinese are. They're straight up belligerent thieves, but do we really want to torpedo farmers and turn them into welfare cases to fight intellectual property theft? Stick it to aircraft manufacturers and other users of metals so that software companies can be protected?

Sounds like a whole lot of government interventionist bullshit and higher taxes disguised under the term "tariffs" to me. I'm selfish and I give a fuck about my prices more than this battle. Can we win this? Of course. But there's lots of battles you can win if you're behind raising taxes. Trade-warring with China just isn't my preferred battle.

Not a fan.

You can’t gain ground against a sneaky opponent without sacrifice. Your Econ books would never teach you that. You’d need to read some history to figure that out.

Shut up, ass face, unless you're going to dig into your history book and point out the trade war that didn't lead to higher consumer prices and lower employment. Was there a specific case you wanted to bring up or are you just being your typical smarmy cunt self?

Again why aren't counties charging us tariffs when we're not charging them tariffs collapsing?

I never said anyone was collapsing.

Fuck off.

You said we would. I shortened your blather to collapsing.

They seem to be happy collecting the tariffs.

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

Well, I also have an Econ degree from UW, and I'm pretty certain that tariffs and trade restrictions are generally frowned upon because they lead to higher consumer prices, a net loss of jobs, and can escalate into really ugly shit that gets very costly - for consumers, not governments.

I know what cocks the Chinese are. They're straight up belligerent thieves, but do we really want to torpedo farmers and turn them into welfare cases to fight intellectual property theft? Stick it to aircraft manufacturers and other users of metals so that software companies can be protected?

Sounds like a whole lot of government interventionist bullshit and higher taxes disguised under the term "tariffs" to me. I'm selfish and I give a fuck about my prices more than this battle. Can we win this? Of course. But there's lots of battles you can win if you're behind raising taxes. Trade-warring with China just isn't my preferred battle.

Not a fan.

UW_Doog_Bot said:

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

Well, I also have an Econ degree from UW, and I'm pretty certain that tariffs and trade restrictions are generally frowned upon because they lead to higher consumer prices, a net loss of jobs, and can escalate into really ugly shit that gets very costly - for consumers, not governments.

I know what cocks the Chinese are. They're straight up belligerent thieves, but do we really want to torpedo farmers and turn them into welfare cases to fight intellectual property theft? Stick it to aircraft manufacturers and other users of metals so that software companies can be protected?

Sounds like a whole lot of government interventionist bullshit and higher taxes disguised under the term "tariffs" to me. I'm selfish and I give a fuck about my prices more than this battle. Can we win this? Of course. But there's lots of battles you can win if you're behind raising taxes. Trade-warring with China just isn't my preferred battle.

Not a fan.

Tell us what the alternative is. Relying on the feckless G20? Maybe we should continue to allow the IMF to give China access to "development loans" so they can then sell arms to Iran with that money?

UW_Doog_Bot said:

dflea said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

dflea said:

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

Well, I also have an Econ degree from UW, and I'm pretty certain that tariffs and trade restrictions are generally frowned upon because they lead to higher consumer prices, a net loss of jobs, and can escalate into really ugly shit that gets very costly - for consumers, not governments.

I know what cocks the Chinese are. They're straight up belligerent thieves, but do we really want to torpedo farmers and turn them into welfare cases to fight intellectual property theft? Stick it to aircraft manufacturers and other users of metals so that software companies can be protected?

Sounds like a whole lot of government interventionist bullshit and higher taxes disguised under the term "tariffs" to me. I'm selfish and I give a fuck about my prices more than this battle. Can we win this? Of course. But there's lots of battles you can win if you're behind raising taxes. Trade-warring with China just isn't my preferred battle.

Not a fan.

Tell us what the alternative is. Relying on the feckless G20? Maybe we should continue to allow the IMF to give China access to "development loans" so they can then sell arms to Iran with that money?

Beyond my pay grade. It's beyond Trump's too, in case you haven't been paying attention. He thinks China is paying the tariffs.

As I've laid out elsewhere, I think Trump is wrong about China plenty but right in his instincts that China is a problem. I hope for the best of the situation.

China going into recession bc of a trade war and Pooh being put on the hot seat are good things for the world even if they cause economic headwinds.

Realpolitik.

creepycoug said:

dflea said:

Lots of tax lovers in this thread.

Not the usual crowd, either.

I lean on @UW_Doog_Bot and others for my international economis analysis, but it seems with China we are in a predicament. They need our markets, it seems pretty desperately, we need theirs, I think a little less desperately, but they hold our debt and thus can indirectly affect (or effect) our monetary policy.

There seems to be a little mutually assured destruction going on here Cold War style. Seems to be the time to lay some tuff lumber on the Chinese and make them play real capitalism with the ultimate capitalist big boy. If not now, when.

I'm not a Trump guy 75%+ of the time, but playing hardball with China seems worth a go. Of course it's going to be painful. Paying the price of gaining ground always hurts. I think it's more than IP theft; it's simply unfair trade. We have a much harder time competing in their markets than they do in ours. I know this for a fact because we? (my company) exports to China. We have teams of people just to deal with their layer upon layer of import agents. As I've said in another thread, things we take as blatant dishonesty here passes for routine business there. You either have a hammer to deal with that or you don't, and if not, you shut up and eat it. If you do, and I think we do, then you swing it. Vito Corleone style.

GDS said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

GDS said:

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/452767-us-imports-to-china-plunge-amid-trade-war

US trade deficit with China increases

U.S. exports to China dropped sharply last month as the Trump administration and Beijing appear no closer to reaching a deal to end a months-long trade war that has affected billions of dollars' worth of goods.

The Associated Press reported Friday that Chinese imports from the U.S. were down 31.4 percent from the same time last year, while the country's surplus from trade with the U.S. grew by 3 percent. U.S. imports from China dropped by a far lower rate — down just 7.8 percent over last year.

Yeap, more and more indicators are pointing to recession in China. Fuck the CCP. I hope they get overthrown once they lose the mandate from heaven.

The Chinese debt bubble is significant and they could have trouble ahead but replacing US Soybeans with Brazilian soybeans thereby dropping imports from the US isn’t an indication of an oncoming Chinese recession...

GDS said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

GDS said:

UW_Doog_Bot said:

GDS said:

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/452767-us-imports-to-china-plunge-amid-trade-war

US trade deficit with China increases

U.S. exports to China dropped sharply last month as the Trump administration and Beijing appear no closer to reaching a deal to end a months-long trade war that has affected billions of dollars' worth of goods.

The Associated Press reported Friday that Chinese imports from the U.S. were down 31.4 percent from the same time last year, while the country's surplus from trade with the U.S. grew by 3 percent. U.S. imports from China dropped by a far lower rate — down just 7.8 percent over last year.

Yeap, more and more indicators are pointing to recession in China. Fuck the CCP. I hope they get overthrown once they lose the mandate from heaven.

The Chinese debt bubble is significant and they could have trouble ahead but replacing US Soybeans with Brazilian soybeans thereby dropping imports from the US isn’t an indication of an oncoming Chinese recession...

Except that luxury items, like iPhones, have also cratered.

Go look, I never said this wouldn't have negative impacts. I just consider the short term loss of soybean exports to be small and bearable compared to 1 trillion in losses from theft a year or a world dominated by the CCP.

Your crocodile tears for big ag are noted though.

Got a link? Everything I have seen shows luxury goods into China still increasing albeit the growth is slowing.