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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter

    Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Same with pretend super libertarians. Citizenry needs to mean something. Otherwise it's Thunderdome. How do think this all ends when the money runs out? With a viscous 4th amendment argument?

    I know how it ends but the left ain't gonna like it. NICS checks have been over 2 million per month the last six months. Someone is buying a lot of guns. We know it's not dems they can't pass a background check.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    It was asked all the time. We were lucky as we had an ICE agent living in the city with a government ride. We'd just call him up and let him pick them up in the morning on his way to work. Deportations can be so easy and convenient.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,686 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    You see the world as owing you something you didn't earn. I don't.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    And you feel it in overly complicated terms.

    First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.

    Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.

    All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    And you feel it in overly complicated terms.

    First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.

    Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.

    All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
    You continue to conflate anyway the long census which goes to very few people with the normal short census. That's what Trump did too. What they might be able to get away with even despite calls by the GOP to put a stop to it on the long census does not mean that they can transfer this same privacy violation practice to the short one.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,188
    And you continue to claim the questions on the long form are a violation of the 4th Amendment despite zero case law in support of your assertion. Yes, a handful of GOP members have called for a stop to the long form census but that's far from the issue being adjudicated and ruled on.

    Right now currently there are questions on the long form census that ask about race and income and marital status. None of those have been ruled to be a violation of the 4th Amendment. If those questions are okay, then certainly being asked if you're a citizen of the country you live in is okay.

    Here why don't you just say this:

    You "feel" it's a violation of the 4th Amendment but you have zero evidence in support of your feelings.