Trump said even after the Supreme Court block that he was still planning on getting the citizenship question on the census and he probably decided to use an executive order. I would assume he was talked out of it or just suddenly changed his feeble mind at the last second like the missle strike.
I didn't say the question was against the law. I only the Constitution just demands a count only of everyone and there is no law that mandates asking questions.
The long census questionnaire is massive and sent to a tiny fraction of Americans. The questions are very intrusive. Many people do not comply with it. If you don't fill it out nothing happens although technically it is mandatory.
He's using the EO to get a count of illegals anyway idiot
And then you guys can come up with your answer as to why you didn't want anyone to know the answer
This 4th amendment nonsense argument is part of the basis for that movement by idiots who believe that they have the right to not turn over their ID or respond at any time to police, the fed, the state gov, etc. They are the assholes who when pulled over for speeding lock their doors, roll up their windows and refuse to speak to the police.
Trump said even after the Supreme Court block that he was still planning on getting the citizenship question on the census and he probably decided to use an executive order. I would assume he was talked out of it or just suddenly changed his feeble mind at the last second like the missle strike.
I didn't say the question was against the law. I only the Constitution just demands a count only of everyone and there is no law that mandates asking questions.
The long census questionnaire is massive and sent to a tiny fraction of Americans. The questions are very intrusive. Many people do not comply with it. If you don't fill it out nothing happens although technically it is mandatory.
He's using the EO to get a count of illegals anyway idiot
And then you guys can come up with your answer as to why you didn't want anyone to know the answer
We already know the answer is at least double what they claim. Might be 3-4 times that. They just call them undocumented democratic voters not illegal aliens.
Is a violation of the 4th Amendment a violation of the law? How is asking if someone is a citizen or not a violation of the 4th Amendment?
Its not against the law. This is just aog trying to shoe horn his feelings into an issue. Taking feelings and trying to turn them into facts.
Of course it's not a violation of the law. If it were than the long form Census would have been against the law. He talked out his ass, got called on it and then lied about it.
53 California congressional districts and counting. Trump’s bullying and intimidation tactic failed miserably. Add it to the list of the trump shitshow and failure: Border wall Trade wars Immigration law reform Health care reform Etc...
You guys mostly see the world with gross oversimplifications. There might be a law or regulation in effect that violates the 4th Amendment. The massive trolling of data that has been going on for years (collecting phone records and driver's license scanning eg) might be "legal" but appears to be a 4th Amendment violation anyway. You are supposed to be safe in your privacy unless "probably cause" exists that you have committed a crime. Next, a regulation that one of the agencies, the 4th branch of government issues, is not necessarily law or constitutional. Congress has ceded it's law making powers under Article 1 to a great extent to a mass of alphabet soup agencies who are effectively making law like regulations that aren't necessarily "law" but just regulations. The questions of very intrusive nature on the long census form that Trump used as examples came from a 4th branch of government and even the GOP wanted it stopped! READ --> https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html now fuck off
Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Same with pretend super libertarians. Citizenry needs to mean something. Otherwise it's Thunderdome. How do think this all ends when the money runs out? With a viscous 4th amendment argument?
Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Same with pretend super libertarians. Citizenry needs to mean something. Otherwise it's Thunderdome. How do think this all ends when the money runs out? With a viscous 4th amendment argument?
I know how it ends but the left ain't gonna like it. NICS checks have been over 2 million per month the last six months. Someone is buying a lot of guns. We know it's not dems they can't pass a background check.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
It was asked all the time. We were lucky as we had an ICE agent living in the city with a government ride. We'd just call him up and let him pick them up in the morning on his way to work. Deportations can be so easy and convenient.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
So you're not a citizen. Check.
You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
So you're not a citizen. Check.
You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
You see the world as owing you something you didn't earn. I don't.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
So you're not a citizen. Check.
You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
And you feel it in overly complicated terms.
First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.
Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.
All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.
Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
So you're not a citizen. Check.
You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
And you feel it in overly complicated terms.
First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.
Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.
All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
You continue to conflate anyway the long census which goes to very few people with the normal short census. That's what Trump did too. What they might be able to get away with even despite calls by the GOP to put a stop to it on the long census does not mean that they can transfer this same privacy violation practice to the short one.
And you continue to claim the questions on the long form are a violation of the 4th Amendment despite zero case law in support of your assertion. Yes, a handful of GOP members have called for a stop to the long form census but that's far from the issue being adjudicated and ruled on.
Right now currently there are questions on the long form census that ask about race and income and marital status. None of those have been ruled to be a violation of the 4th Amendment. If those questions are okay, then certainly being asked if you're a citizen of the country you live in is okay.
Here why don't you just say this:
You "feel" it's a violation of the 4th Amendment but you have zero evidence in support of your feelings.
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These idiots think they won something
And then you guys can come up with your answer as to why you didn't want anyone to know the answer
Typical day for a liberal.
Trump’s bullying and intimidation tactic failed miserably.
Add it to the list of the trump shitshow and failure:
Border wall
Trade wars
Immigration law reform
Health care reform
Etc...
now fuck off
How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?
First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.
Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.
All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
Right now currently there are questions on the long form census that ask about race and income and marital status. None of those have been ruled to be a violation of the 4th Amendment. If those questions are okay, then certainly being asked if you're a citizen of the country you live in is okay.
Here why don't you just say this:
You "feel" it's a violation of the 4th Amendment but you have zero evidence in support of your feelings.