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  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter

    Leftards lie and love to be lied to. Same with pretend super libertarians. Citizenry needs to mean something. Otherwise it's Thunderdome. How do think this all ends when the money runs out? With a viscous 4th amendment argument?

    I know how it ends but the left ain't gonna like it. NICS checks have been over 2 million per month the last six months. Someone is buying a lot of guns. We know it's not dems they can't pass a background check.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    It was asked all the time. We were lucky as we had an ICE agent living in the city with a government ride. We'd just call him up and let him pick them up in the morning on his way to work. Deportations can be so easy and convenient.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    You see the world as owing you something you didn't earn. I don't.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    And you feel it in overly complicated terms.

    First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.

    Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.

    All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    SFGbob said:

    Sledog said:

    SFGbob said:

    SFGbob said:

    Lot of words just to say you talked out your ass.

    How is asking if someone is a citizen a violation of the 4th Amendment? Why not just admit you were talking out your ass?

    You can't see it Bob because you see a complex world in simple black and white, good and bad, true and false.
    Fucking pathetic. You claim that asking if someone is a citizen is a violation of the 4th Amendment. I ask you how that's the case and you can't answer because it's not and you can't admit you were just pulling claims out of your ass, and then you try to make your inability to just admit you were talking out your ass my fault.




    Look, it is a 4th Amendment violation, since the Constitution and no law mandates it, then there is no reason to ask. You do realize that you are NEVER required to answer questions that authorities pose unless demanded by law? And there simply is no law that demands to know citizenship on the census. You should know your rights. Go back and check my link as the GOP argues this very point. https://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/us/politics/20census.html
    So you're not a citizen. Check.
    You didn't read my analysis. But try to remember that your mind along with gaybob is limited since you see the world in grossly oversimplified terms.
    And you feel it in overly complicated terms.

    First of all, to the best of my knowledge there has been no court ruling on if the questions on the long form census are a violation of the 4th Amendment and I would argue that asking if someone is a citizen of the country they are currently residing in is far less intrusive than asking if about their religion or how much mortgage debt they currently have.

    Conducted annually by the bureau, the survey replaced the long version of the census form. It is sent to millions of American homes to collect information on income, education, mortgage debt, marital status, race, religion and more. Burton Reist, a bureau official, said Thursday that it is the nation’s “official statistical portrait,” used by governments to allocate resources, by businesses to make labor force and investment decisions, and in the distribution of federal money.

    All of those and other questions are currently asked by the Census and there has been no legal determination made that they are violation of the 4th Amendment. You talked out your ass, got called on it and are now engaged in a sweet, sweet jackass dance in support of your feelings, not the facts.
    You continue to conflate anyway the long census which goes to very few people with the normal short census. That's what Trump did too. What they might be able to get away with even despite calls by the GOP to put a stop to it on the long census does not mean that they can transfer this same privacy violation practice to the short one.
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183
    And you continue to claim the questions on the long form are a violation of the 4th Amendment despite zero case law in support of your assertion. Yes, a handful of GOP members have called for a stop to the long form census but that's far from the issue being adjudicated and ruled on.

    Right now currently there are questions on the long form census that ask about race and income and marital status. None of those have been ruled to be a violation of the 4th Amendment. If those questions are okay, then certainly being asked if you're a citizen of the country you live in is okay.

    Here why don't you just say this:

    You "feel" it's a violation of the 4th Amendment but you have zero evidence in support of your feelings.
  • WestlinnDuck
    WestlinnDuck Member Posts: 17,542 Standard Supporter
    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 congressional districts with more coming following the 2020 census. If you want know how many illegals there are, California has been counting them for decades. The truth is right in from of you. Unless you are a trumptard it appears.

    The citizenship question in front of scotus was an easy lay up winner for any administration that wanted to ask, except for the policy and legal team of trump, Cletus, race, GayBob and Jethro.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    edited July 2019

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
  • ApostleofGrief
    ApostleofGrief Member Posts: 3,904
    edited July 2019
    Somebody find the law that says "The Census shall ask a question of citizenship" on the form. You must cite the law and that it was signed by a president.

    You can't do that. What you will find is only something to the effect that "Congress does hereby authorize the Census bureau to promulgate regulations... blah blah blah" .... there is never an explicit lawfully stated authorization.

    Now just because that funny little billionaire man says to put a citizenship question on the ballot does not mean it ever passed Congress and it certainly as we know is not in the Constitution.
    Some bureaucrats thought it up and did it. That does NOT mean that it is Constitutional although I concede it might be "legal" but again, Congress never passed such a law. That's what led to the Supreme Court and the decision.
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
    That pretty much sums up the trumptard scotus legal argument on the census citizenship question.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
    That pretty much sums up the trumptard scotus legal argument on the census citizenship question.
    Don't give a shit
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390
    edited July 2019

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
    That pretty much sums up the trumptard scotus legal argument on the census citizenship question.
    Trumpanzees scurrying to their edit and delete functions as fast as they can. Cowards.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
    That pretty much sums up the trumptard scotus legal argument on the census citizenship question.
    Lol. Look at the coward delete his post. Own it trumptard.
    Who

    You just quoted yourself
  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    Unfortunately for your argument there isn't any 4th amendment issue here. It is merely leftards on the SC disagreeing on a policy basis about the question. It was legal for more than a century and then it's not. The Constitution authorizes a census. It is a clear Constitutional mandate. Unlike abortion or gay marriage. Given the mandate, asking about citizenship is clearly within the mandate. You don't need emanations or penumbras to get there. To not get there you need to be dishonest. Leftards lie and love to be lied to.

    Citizenship has and could be asked. It requires a competent president and administration, however. Trump’s “policy” and “legal” argument was thrown out by a friendly scotus as “contrived.” Better luck white nationalists in 2030!
    No it was a clear case of obstructing the process using the courts to run out the clock

    But the EO will still get the truth out there before 2020 elections

    You lost and Trump painted your team for the open borders crowed they are. What are you so scared of? A count of illegals

    Trying to blame Trump for this is fucking stupid but that's how you roll

    Was Roberts friendly when he bent over for Obamacare? Idiot
    California has 53 pussy, gay ass districts
    Agreed
    That pretty much sums up the trumptard scotus legal argument on the census citizenship question.
    Lol. Look at the coward delete his post. Own it trumptard.
    Who

    You just quoted yourself
    Race ran away. Bailed on his post. Sad.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
    What we know

    Democrats don't want us to know how many illegals are here

    Good luck with that

    Oh, and thanks to the EO Trumpards will indeed be coming through the numbers including the Cali numbers to have an answer by the election

    Cali can count them but the Feds aren't allowed to

    Great fucking argument if you're an idiot

  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    What we know

    Democrats don't want us to know how many illegals are here

    Good luck with that

    Oh, and thanks to the EO Trumpards will indeed be coming through the numbers including the Cali numbers to have an answer by the election

    Cali can count them but the Feds aren't allowed to

    Great fucking argument if you're an idiot

    Congrats on your “answer.” Sounds huge because no one knows how many illegals there are. Meanwhile, congressional districts will be drawn and revenue allocations will be based on the 2020 census. Better luck on the 2030 census!
  • SFGbob
    SFGbob Member Posts: 33,183

    Somebody find the law that says "The Census shall ask a question of citizenship" on the form. You must cite the law and that it was signed by a president.

    You can't do that. What you will find is only something to the effect that "Congress does hereby authorize the Census bureau to promulgate regulations... blah blah blah" .... there is never an explicit lawfully stated authorization.

    Now just because that funny little billionaire man says to put a citizenship question on the ballot does not mean it ever passed Congress and it certainly as we know is not in the Constitution.
    Some bureaucrats thought it up and did it. That does NOT mean that it is Constitutional although I concede it might be "legal" but again, Congress never passed such a law. That's what led to the Supreme Court and the decision.

    What a dumbfuck.
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662
    I have no issue with this conversation but I have no idea what it's about. Also, I'm drunk.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
    edited July 2019

    What we know

    Democrats don't want us to know how many illegals are here

    Good luck with that

    Oh, and thanks to the EO Trumpards will indeed be coming through the numbers including the Cali numbers to have an answer by the election

    Cali can count them but the Feds aren't allowed to

    Great fucking argument if you're an idiot

    Congrats on your “answer.” Sounds huge because no one knows how many illegals there are. Meanwhile, congressional districts will be drawn and revenue allocations will be based on the 2020 census. Better luck on the 2030 census!
    Doesn't matter. So you lie and cheat to get more power and will be exposed. Districts are based on the count. They would be counted even if they are illegal. Great non point as always

    You are also lying about California knowing how many illegals there are. Big shock

    California is home to more than two million undocumented immigrants.
    Undocumented (also known as illegal or unauthorized) immigrants are not directly identified in any representative national or state surveys. But the best estimates suggest that in 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population. Nationally, the undocumented population has stabilized at approximately 11 million, following a slight decline after 2007. A combination of increased enforcement, voluntary returns, and fewer new migrants has increased the average length of residence in the United States, with 66% of undocumented immigrants having lived here for 10 or more years.

  • CirrhosisDawg
    CirrhosisDawg Member Posts: 6,390

    What we know

    Democrats don't want us to know how many illegals are here

    Good luck with that

    Oh, and thanks to the EO Trumpards will indeed be coming through the numbers including the Cali numbers to have an answer by the election

    Cali can count them but the Feds aren't allowed to

    Great fucking argument if you're an idiot

    Congrats on your “answer.” Sounds huge because no one knows how many illegals there are. Meanwhile, congressional districts will be drawn and revenue allocations will be based on the 2020 census. Better luck on the 2030 census!
    Doesn't matter. So you lie and cheat to get more power and will be exposed. Districts are based on the count. They would be counted even if they are illegal. Great non point as always

    You are also lying about California knowing how many illegals there are. Big shock

    California is home to more than two million undocumented immigrants.
    Undocumented (also known as illegal or unauthorized) immigrants are not directly identified in any representative national or state surveys. But the best estimates suggest that in 2014, the year of the most recent data available, California was home to between 2.35 and 2.6 million undocumented immigrants. Nearly a quarter of the nation’s undocumented immigrants reside in California, where they constitute more than 6% of the state’s population. Nationally, the undocumented population has stabilized at approximately 11 million, following a slight decline after 2007. A combination of increased enforcement, voluntary returns, and fewer new migrants has increased the average length of residence in the United States, with 66% of undocumented immigrants having lived here for 10 or more years.

    I’d expect nothing less from you.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,725 Founders Club
    Lying sack of shit said what?

    Sober up and try it again champ
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,681 Standard Supporter

    What we know

    Democrats don't want us to know how many illegals are here

    Good luck with that

    Oh, and thanks to the EO Trumpards will indeed be coming through the numbers including the Cali numbers to have an answer by the election

    Cali can count them but the Feds aren't allowed to

    Great fucking argument if you're an idiot

    Congrats on your “answer.” Sounds huge because no one knows how many illegals there are. Meanwhile, congressional districts will be drawn and revenue allocations will be based on the 2020 census. Better luck on the 2030 census!
    Odd you just said Kali counts them all the time. Which is basement boy?
  • Pitchfork51
    Pitchfork51 Member Posts: 27,662



    Sober up and try it again champ

    Hey fuck you!