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dnc
dnc Member Posts: 56,839
My dad was a Law Enforcement major. I've been pro cops my entire life.

My confidence in the system has taken a number of hits over the last few years and is at an all time low.

NWA and Damone were right.

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  • allpurpleallgold
    allpurpleallgold Member Posts: 8,771
    It’s important to talk about our justice systems part in this. This isn’t happening in a vacuum, cops learn this behavior because most of the time there are no consequences. I saw a story yesterday where two cops were caught on camera talking about how they were going to frame a guy and nothing has happened to the officers.

    When a black person gets shot by the police, the problem isn’t that they got shot. That’s going to happen in a country with our gun laws. The problem is black people don’t trust the police or the justice system to get it right and that distrust is earned.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,165
    Is there a way to tackle this from a federal level? I doubt the DOJ has the resources to identify and hammer every misbehaving department and prosecutor's office out there, ala what they did in Seattle. So do we just wait until each local agency gets their act together? Run some union busting initiatives? I honestly don't know. This shit is systemic and it's one of the few places where our judicial system has truly failed at a fundamental level.
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036
    dnc said:

    My dad was a Law Enforcement major. I've been pro cops my entire life.

    My confidence in the system has taken a number of hits over the last few years and is at an all time low.

    NWA and Damone were right.

    @Sledog , was that you man?
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    If you don't have anything to hide then cops wouldn't plant drugs in your trunk

    Its a game of chicken. Cop will act like he'll take you to jail and have your car taken apart if you don't agree to an illegal search with no probable cause

    And he might but you go for his badge number and quote some shit about how he will be personally responsible for the law suit and hope you don't get shot
  • creepycoug
    creepycoug Member Posts: 24,036

    If you don't have anything to hide then cops wouldn't plant drugs in your trunk

    Its a game of chicken. Cop will act like he'll take you to jail and have your car taken apart if you don't agree to an illegal search with no probable cause

    And he might but you go for his badge number and quote some shit about how he will be personally responsible for the law suit and hope you don't get shot

    This.

    Coppers have power over the moment and can really fuck up your afternoon. They can put in you in jail while everything gets sorted out. It's that time of getting everything sorted out that is their source of power.

    It's all fun and games until you get stopped and you draw the short straw and get Officer Asshole. Then you get what all the fuss is about.
  • HustlinOwl
    HustlinOwl Member Posts: 953

    If you don't have anything to hide then cops wouldn't plant drugs in your trunk

    Its a game of chicken. Cop will act like he'll take you to jail and have your car taken apart if you don't agree to an illegal search with no probable cause

    And he might but you go for his badge number and quote some shit about how he will be personally responsible for the law suit and hope you don't get shot

    This.

    Coppers have power over the moment and can really fuck up your afternoon. They can put in you in jail while everything gets sorted out. It's that time of getting everything sorted out that is their source of power.

    It's all fun and games until you get stopped and you draw the short straw and get Officer Asshole. Then you get what all the fuss is about.
    That only happens to black people though so it doesn’t really affect me.
    If you're not doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear from the police.

    #thingssledogsays
    I agree with that in general. Somebody should send a memo to President Trump in regards to the Russia collusion thing. No need to fear(unless there's a reason to fear).
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter

    It’s important to talk about our justice systems part in this. This isn’t happening in a vacuum, cops learn this behavior because most of the time there are no consequences. I saw a story yesterday where two cops were caught on camera talking about how they were going to frame a guy and nothing has happened to the officers.

    When a black person gets shot by the police, the problem isn’t that they got shot. That’s going to happen in a country with our gun laws. The problem is black people don’t trust the police or the justice system to get it right and that distrust is earned.

    Not true there most certainly are consequences. Many have gone to prison. No one likes dirty cops, especially other cops.
  • WilburHooksHands
    WilburHooksHands Member Posts: 6,804
    Sledog said:

    It’s important to talk about our justice systems part in this. This isn’t happening in a vacuum, cops learn this behavior because most of the time there are no consequences. I saw a story yesterday where two cops were caught on camera talking about how they were going to frame a guy and nothing has happened to the officers.

    When a black person gets shot by the police, the problem isn’t that they got shot. That’s going to happen in a country with our gun laws. The problem is black people don’t trust the police or the justice system to get it right and that distrust is earned.

    Not true there most certainly are consequences. Many have gone to prison. No one likes dirty cops, especially other cops.
    l m f a o
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,006 Standard Supporter
    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

  • dnc
    dnc Member Posts: 56,839

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    So just to so we're clear, this Florida cop is planting meth on white women because democrats?

    Makes sense.
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,006 Standard Supporter
    The Florida COP is a low life POS because dems don't value quality individuals.

    If you need me to spell it out for you again, go fuck yourself because you are too stupid to understand.
  • HHusky
    HHusky Member Posts: 23,897

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Gotta defend the sled on this one. I've seem many well nourished cops standing around while moonlighting as well nourished security.
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    HHusky said:

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Gotta defend the sled on this one. I've seem many well nourished cops standing around while moonlighting as well nourished security.
    So working overtime?
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter

    dnc said:

    My dad was a Law Enforcement major. I've been pro cops my entire life.

    My confidence in the system has taken a number of hits over the last few years and is at an all time low.

    NWA and Damone were right.

    @Sledog , was that you man?
    Plenty of bad people out there. Absolutely no reason for shenanigans. None.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019
    HHusky said:

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Gotta defend the sled on this one. I've seem many well nourished cops standing around while moonlighting as well nourished security.
    That's not really allowed most places in Kali. Too much liability for the cities.

    Attorneys like those deep pockets.

  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter

    HHusky said:

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Gotta defend the sled on this one. I've seem many well nourished cops standing around while moonlighting as well nourished security.
    So working overtime?
    I'd get a real attorney not one of the wanna be pretend ones here on the interwebs.
  • PurpleThrobber
    PurpleThrobber Member Posts: 48,038
    edited July 2019
    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,006 Standard Supporter
    dnc said:

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    So just to so we're clear, this Florida cop is planting meth on white women because democrats?

    Makes sense.
    And your point?
  • Bendintheriver
    Bendintheriver Member Posts: 7,006 Standard Supporter

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Bullshit is right. Virtually every single one I know works nights as security at mostly bars and restaurants but also do the funeral thing, concerts, etc. I question whether you really know any COPS.

    The AVERAGE salary is $60K. If you take California out of the average (they avg about $106K), the median would be about 49K. No COP is supporting a wife and 3 kids on that salary.

    Most cities, counties and states are taking anyone who wants to be a COP. Many have lowered the standards for entry because they can't get people interested. This again flies in the face of your inaccurate statement that COPS are fat and happy. In Mississippi alone the average salary for a COP is around $37K. You aren't going to get quality individuals at that pay rate and you sure as hell aren't going to raise a family on that salary without working extra jobs. This is why there is a corrupt POS COP in FL. They have to hire anyone who comes down the pike and hope he works out and many don't. Teachers and COPS should be making way more than politicians but the facts are they make less than even a state legislature desk jockey does.

    https://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm#tab-5
  • MikeDamone
    MikeDamone Member Posts: 37,781
    edited July 2019

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    Bullshit. I know many cops. Not a fucking one has any additional jobs. They all do fine.
    Bullshit is right. Virtually every single one I know works nights as security at mostly bars and restaurants but also do the funeral thing, concerts, etc. I question whether you really know any COPS.

    The AVERAGE salary is $60K. If you take California out of the average (they avg about $106K), the median would be about 49K. No COP is supporting a wife and 3 kids on that salary.

    Most cities, counties and states are taking anyone who wants to be a COP. Many have lowered the standards for entry because they can't get people interested. This again flies in the face of your inaccurate statement that COPS are fat and happy. In Mississippi alone the average salary for a COP is around $37K. You aren't going to get quality individuals at that pay rate and you sure as hell aren't going to raise a family on that salary without working extra jobs. This is why there is a corrupt POS COP in FL. They have to hire anyone who comes down the pike and hope he works out and many don't. Teachers and COPS should be making way more than politicians but the facts are they make less than even a state legislature desk jockey does.

    https://www.bls.gov/ooh/protective-service/police-and-detectives.htm#tab-5
    So don’t get a wife and 3 fucking kids. Their life choices aren’t my fucking problem.

    Teachers are paid what they are worth as well. Pretty decent for a part rime gig.

    Also two heavily unionized government professions. See how that works.

    Still don’t know a single cop working two or more jobs. Not a one
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    Overtime is how one makes ends meet. Also these days there is a large amount of forced overtime since it's very difficult to hire police officers from the current generations of young adults to to their rather different moral standards. I have said it before that you will see officers do more and more things we don't like. As hiring standards drop it only gets worse. When LAPD started hiring if you "didn't have a felony conviction" (a felony arrest was OK) When females with convictions for prostitution are hired you also say hmmmmmm.

    Liberals gonna liberal. Y'all have fun reaping what you have sewn but keep your mouth shut it's your own damn fault!

    Turd just the OT comment was for you.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 113,817 Founders Club
    I use to get my bosses swanky almost front row Sonic seats all the time over several years. I got to know the cop behind the bench because he was there every time I was.

    Sweet second job IMO
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter

    I use to get my bosses swanky almost front row Sonic seats all the time over several years. I got to know the cop behind the bench because he was there every time I was.

    Sweet second job IMO

    That's sweet OT if you like sports and get to work the home team games. Movie shoots are even better because it's easy work and the food is awesome!
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 37,725 Standard Supporter
    So how many of you survive this? (errors were made IMHO by officer).

    How many condemned the shooting before the video came out I wonder?

    https://www.policeone.com/edged-weapons/articles/484297006-Video-Ohio-man-lunges-at-LEO-stabs-him-in-neck-in-fatal-OIS