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  • Kaepsknee
    Kaepsknee Member Posts: 14,919

    Sledog said:

    It’s important to talk about our justice systems part in this. This isn’t happening in a vacuum, cops learn this behavior because most of the time there are no consequences. I saw a story yesterday where two cops were caught on camera talking about how they were going to frame a guy and nothing has happened to the officers.

    When a black person gets shot by the police, the problem isn’t that they got shot. That’s going to happen in a country with our gun laws. The problem is black people don’t trust the police or the justice system to get it right and that distrust is earned.

    Not true there most certainly are consequences. Many have gone to prison. No one likes dirty cops, especially other cops.
    l m f a o
    You should stay off twitter for awhile.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    You're right, but by the same token police unions don't find themselves in nearly as many GOP cross hairs as other unions do. Police and teachers unions are absolutely wrecking our public institutions, but neither party wants to make dismantling them a cornerstone issue.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter
    edited July 2019

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    Protecting and making bad actors un-fireable is the achilles heel of all unions.

    There will always be dishonest scumbag losers in every profession, but the union “brotherhood” where they protect “their own” gives an unlimited free pass to the dickbags who choose to be dirty and cheat.

    Unless you’re a war veteran in SPD who punches a bitch after she kicks you in the face. Then you’re gone.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,602 Standard Supporter

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    You're right, but by the same token police unions don't find themselves in nearly as many GOP cross hairs as other unions do. Police and teachers unions are absolutely wrecking our public institutions, but neither party wants to make dismantling them a cornerstone issue.
    Police unions don't have any union power. It's illegal for police and fire to strike. It is also a paramilitary organization and it's members are subject to orders from above. Without the strike threat there is little you can do to sway any issue.
  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    Sledog said:

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    You're right, but by the same token police unions don't find themselves in nearly as many GOP cross hairs as other unions do. Police and teachers unions are absolutely wrecking our public institutions, but neither party wants to make dismantling them a cornerstone issue.
    Police unions don't have any union power. It's illegal for police and fire to strike. It is also a paramilitary organization and it's members are subject to orders from above. Without the strike threat there is little you can do to sway any issue.
    The police unions being toxic has less to do with their lack of collective bargaining power and more to do with their propensity to cover for bad cops and prevent them from getting fired.
  • RaceBannon
    RaceBannon Member, Moderator, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 115,551 Founders Club
    Its group psychology and us against them.

    More and more minorities enter the force and not much changes because of the tribe.
  • Sledog
    Sledog Member Posts: 38,602 Standard Supporter

    Sledog said:

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    You're right, but by the same token police unions don't find themselves in nearly as many GOP cross hairs as other unions do. Police and teachers unions are absolutely wrecking our public institutions, but neither party wants to make dismantling them a cornerstone issue.
    Police unions don't have any union power. It's illegal for police and fire to strike. It is also a paramilitary organization and it's members are subject to orders from above. Without the strike threat there is little you can do to sway any issue.
    The police unions being toxic has less to do with their lack of collective bargaining power and more to do with their propensity to cover for bad cops and prevent them from getting fired.
    They don't in my experience. I took citizen complaints. The advent of recorders has greatly accelerated that process. 99.9% of the time iit exonerated the officer.

    Nothing I enjoyed mote than showing the complainant the recording and nicely telling them they are a lying bag of shit.

    Like Hondo.

  • GreenRiverGatorz
    GreenRiverGatorz Member Posts: 10,168
    Sledog said:

    Sledog said:

    There's a certain irony about the left decrying the behavior of bad cops, yet the police unions are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the bad element in that profession. Virtually impossible to fire unionized public employees for performance.

    And, no, none of the cops I know are starving and working multiple jobs. They don't have to what with primo benefits and overtime.

    You're right, but by the same token police unions don't find themselves in nearly as many GOP cross hairs as other unions do. Police and teachers unions are absolutely wrecking our public institutions, but neither party wants to make dismantling them a cornerstone issue.
    Police unions don't have any union power. It's illegal for police and fire to strike. It is also a paramilitary organization and it's members are subject to orders from above. Without the strike threat there is little you can do to sway any issue.
    The police unions being toxic has less to do with their lack of collective bargaining power and more to do with their propensity to cover for bad cops and prevent them from getting fired.
    They don't in my experience. I took citizen complaints. The advent of recorders has greatly accelerated that process. 99.9% of the time iit exonerated the officer.

    Nothing I enjoyed mote than showing the complainant the recording and nicely telling them they are a lying bag of shit.

    Like Hondo.

    Glad to hear your department valued accountability. If only the rest could all say the same.
  • TurdBomber
    TurdBomber Member Posts: 20,051 Standard Supporter

    Its group psychology and us against them.

    More and more minorities enter the force and not much changes because of the tribe.

    No way. That can’t be true.

    And if it is true, it’s whitey’s fault.
  • dflea
    dflea Member, Swaye's Wigwam Posts: 7,287 Swaye's Wigwam

    dnc said:

    I too have relatives who are COPS. They have to work three jobs to make a decent living. I have a life long friend in Portland who is a COP downtown and after 30 years he makes shit. Many law enforcement agencies across the country are begging for qualified candidates to fill their ranks.

    They get treated like shit especially in the inner cities. You have democrats all over the country cursing them when they don't need them and condemning them when they don't show up fast enough. What the hell do you expect?

    Those I know hate dirty COPS. Hate them. If there is one thing that makes me throw up it is democrats in dem run cities bitching about the environment they have created.

    So just to so we're clear, this Florida cop is planting meth on white women because democrats?

    Makes sense.
    And your point?
    You're a fucking idiot.

    Everyone else got it, retard.